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i have been told that i have to be more sensitive after saying "that's the pot calling the kettle black." OMFG!!! the black ppl in the room looked at the person telling me that like they were nuts. this is getting stupid, what's next, is there gonna be a ban on, "it's there in black and white."? get a life. now i don't think people should be discriminated against, but there has got to be a limit.
 
Ah ha. I cant even say Niger River without getting suspended, well, that was when I was in school. Funny **** though. I got to sleep in though.
 
Niger and **** are pronounced quite differently; "look who is calling the kettle black is an expression that has absolutely NO inference of human color.
 
Society is going overboard on certain things and not tending to more pressing issues!
 
Things are definetly getting out of hand, it's all about political correctness. But never mind as to **** and niger I can't say I'e really had to use those words.
 
I have to hear about the prejudice of so many different races here. My God we have every possible nationality living here. I get so tired of people always calling on the race card. It is so rediculous! The people that think everyone else is a racist are only holding themselves back!
 
Depends. I made the mistake of going to college in a fairly liberal town, fairly liberal state U. I am White, Heterosexual Male, which basically means that I am the race/sex equivalent of Satan. Pretty much for four years solid I got to hear all about how all evil and repressive all my predecessors were, and how without redemption we remain. After college I made the mistake of moving to a fairly conservative mindlessly christian town, and the message was still basically the same. To those types, pretty much everything fun is a sin. Just meant I was going to hell for a different reason.

In the end I think Carlos Mencia was more or less on the mark. Yes, I know he's just a comedian; but in one of his standup routines he makes a point out of making fun of white people for being too timid out of fear of being labeled racist. He's more or less right. The basic attitude of the sketch was, "Look, JUST GET OVER IT! You're not going to make it up to everyone who's grandfather was a slave, so get on with life and move on." Good comedy frequently has some element of truth.

Just look at all this race nonsense with Katrina. People are barely stopping short of accusing Bush of steering hurricanes towards lower income black communities.
 
Well I am a white female, that makes me a racist ****, have been called it many times. LOL nice to meet you satans spawn, lol. I know what you mean though, really.
 
yea i hear tht but i feel tht the whole katrina thing is a big issue mainly because the fact again just like the twin towers bush had knowledge tht it was going 2 happen and what did he do? Made speeches on his radio show about what he was going 2 do and then when katty hit NO,Miss,Fl, etc. it took nearly 3 days 2 start getting help out 2 those ppl so when black people are upset wtih how bush is handling things i truly agree it's not just them tht hate him now though every1 is starting 2 catch on2 the fact he doesnt even care about his own ppl he cares only about his ppl aka the rich oil companies.
 
OK, um here's where I get myself in trouble.

He's the president, disaster response is NOT HIS JOB. He's leading a country of millions, 500,000 people getting sacked by a hurricane has very little to do with his day to day life. His only responsibility as I see it, is failure to delegate to people who handled it well, and seeing as there are few federal agencies that actually respond to this kind of thing, I'm inclined to think it was poorly handled on the state level. and we elected them.

Don't misunderstand me, I have no love for Bush, in fact; I can't stand the guy. But blaming Bush because the disaster response to Katrina sucked is a little like blaming Ronald McDonald because you got a bad cheeseburger. It just isn't productive thinking.

Want to blame someone? Blame FEMA. CERTAINLY blame FEMA. Michael Brown really got caught with his pants down. Want to blame Bush for giving Mike Brown his job? (Sure, I'll buy that) Blame the state authorities, they knew for years the levies weren't up to code. Blame the state emergency agencies. Blame the coast guard. (Although from what I hear the Coast Guard really wupped butt here. Rumor has it they were the first major group onsite pulling people out of the muck and they're still there.) How about blaming New Orleans for not having a viable disaster rebuild strategy in the first place? They built a city below sea level, what in the hell did they think was going to happen for crying out loud.

As much as it's very insensitive of me, these "gulf coast tours" of Bush's drive me crazy because it's just elaborate PR. There isn't a single decision Bush can make to help these people that he couldn't make from the oval office.

Fact is, bad things happen to good people. In this case the bad thing was a hurricane that can be seen from space, and it happened to a whole lot of good people, and let's face it, some bad people. But people need to be careful they're not just trolling for scapegoats. Honestly, I'm inclined to think Bush's time could be better spent figuring out how in heaven we're going to pay to completely rebuild down there; then "touring the site".

(OK, I'm done; and yes, I know, I'm going to hell)
 
It starts local then branches out. It is NOT his fault. The commitee that is in charge of the city funds spent more money playing around with the casinos and hotels and making things better for the partying and they exhausted all their funds. Had they not done this then the plan to reinforce the levies would have already gone through, now it doesn't matter and it is now the governments responsibility as a whole to make up for what they did wrong since it is now considered desaster releif to fix them. It really doesn't matter who is at fault. The one that is at fault is long gone and now we have to fix it back.
 
Dazzle 'Em

Psycho Barbie said:
i have been told that i have to be more sensitive after saying "that's the pot calling the kettle black." OMFG!!! the black ppl in the room looked at the person telling me that like they were nuts. this is getting stupid, what's next, is there gonna be a ban on, "it's there in black and white."? get a life. now i don't think people should be discriminated against, but there has got to be a limit.
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Next time this should happen, Barbie informs the ignoramus that the origin of the phrase “POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK†- has at least two slightly varying interpretations. She then proceeds to inform her insulters: <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
One theory is that such action (pot calling the kettle black) is ridiculous because they are both black, presumably from standing for years on a wood-burning stove or in a fireplace. So the pot as well as the kettle is black (evil) and neither one is better than the other. This supports the explanation of the phrase which refers to a person accusing another of faults similar to those committed by him.<o:p></o:p>
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The other theory is that the pot was black but the kettle polished copper and the pot, seeing its own blackness reflected in the shiny surface of the kettle, maintained that the kettle, not it, was actually black. In any event, it seems that the best, if slangy, retort by the kettle may have been: 'Look who's talking!'<o:p></o:p>
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Dazzle them with your wisdom, Barbie!<o:p></o:p>
 
Another european male satan here.
The whole thing of this is stupid. Black people call each other the n-word-which-whites-can't-say all the time, but from us it's evil and forbidden.
And what's up with us being blamed for what our dead ancestors did to their dead ancestors? Nobody from that era is still alive (anybody in a rest home might as well be dead). The closest anybody gets to ghetto these days is wearing FUBU.
Any of you who saw Along Came Polly, there's a scene where a PC-sensitive woman calls a waiter in an indian (the sub-continent) restaurant "our native american friends." It seems funny, but I have a friend who actually does that, and has been since before the movie. It's getting to beyond stupid now.
When I take my SATs later this year, I'm putting down my ethnicity as Eskimo. Just to funk up their stats. Let's see affirmative action deal with that.
 
....technically the "eskimo" are called "Inniu" or "Inuit." Eskimo is actually a derogatory term... but I'm in the wrong thread to be pointing this out. ;)

I'm with you on the dead ancestors thing. Honestly...whats worse is when a french-canadian friend of mine kept referring to me as a "**** Brit" when I annoyed him. I finally lost it one day and told him that it wasn't my fault that my FINNISH and IRISH ancestors moved to english Canada, and technically I wasn't british at all. In all honesty, he wasn't serious, but it just got annoying to be constantly referred to as some weird oppressor...my family was mostly made up of lumberjacks, so unless you are a tree, I don't want to hear complaints.
 
GREAT thread - couldn't agree with you guys more on the race card thig. I'd like to add something to the Katrina/Bush issue. jadedcritis is dead on. What was Bush supposed to do? He spoke with the innane Governor of Louisianna who told him everything was under control, and that he need not send troops. if the guy can't reply on his own Governors, then what?
 
Now that all of you have spoken let minority in the group have her say. I don't believe that Bush is racist at all. I do feel that he don't care for those people who aren't on the in the same class as him. It just so happen that most of those people caught up in the aftermath of the hurricane were black. I also feel that the Mayor of New Orleans didn't half as much as should have to get those who he knew didn't have the means to get out when the order to leave was given. So blame as into this matter starts with the Mayor, then the clueless Governor, and finally FEMA. I feel that Bush could have shown his face a lot sooner, just to let those people not only in New Orleans, but Slidell, Gulfport and Biloxi know they weren't forgotten. Then again I that falls on his advisers because we all know Bush don't have the sense God gave a ant. He's pretty much the puppet, but the puppet-master, didn't lead him well in this issue.

Now as for as the race card and what-not. I do feel so many people of color are quick to label a white person racist, when it's not warranted. Don't get me wrong, because you'd have to be an idoit to believe there are no racist. Prejudice is the term in my opinion that should be used.

prejudice - a biased opinion based on emotion rather than reason; bias against a group, race or creed.

Prejudice is what most people are. I include myself, because I am prejudice. And trust me I don't spare my prejudice for just one groups, it's spread out to all. Is that right? No, but that's who I am and it's not going to change. If you who have replied look at yourself without the blinders you'd also see that you are indedd prejudice.

Now as for black using the "N" word amongst one another, it's pretty much the same as women calling one another ****es, but don't want a man to do it. Who cares what a group of people call themselves? If you know it's wrong, and you were taught not to, then that's one them and pretty much their business.

In closing I do feel that the phrase "the pot, calling the kettle black" is the furthest thing from being racist. People of color do have their defenses up when it comes to dealing with whites, and it doesn't matter if you're not a racist, because of a history that we today had nothing to do with are judged by. Is that fair? No, but the fact is most of the scars from past history, are passed down, through stories from those who indured. We know there was a time when whites did oppress people of color. That's just a fact. Do I feel you should bare the burden of what your forefathers may have done? Of course not! But that scar that most whites feel should be healed, isn't and can easily become a wound that is reopened.
 
Very nicely said MsBehavin. :applaus:

AlwaysMsBehavin said:

Prejudice is what most people are. I include myself, because I am prejudice. And trust me I don't spare my prejudice for just one groups, it's spread out to all. Is that right? No, but that's who I am and it's not going to change. If you who have replied look at yourself without the blinders you'd also see that you are indedd prejudice.
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There is something I would add to that definition: life experience. When you add that in, being prejudice makes a little more sense. Case in point, is it wrong for an older white woman who has been mugged four times by black youths while taking a train into a certain part of town, to, after the fourth time it happens, be afraid when she sees a group of black youths on the train?

I am an EXTREMELY prejudice person: I PRE-judge people all of the time, but I don't see a problem with it so long as I don't act on my judgements. To me, to not PRE-judge a stranger is foolish. That being said, it is equally as foolish to act on your judgement in a detrimental way before your judgement is proved correct. I have a very open mind when I meet people: I give EVERYONE a fair shake. I do not, however, apologize for my life experience kicking in and telling me that person A or person B probably acts or behaves a certain way. To me, so long as such "prejudices" stay in my mind, they harm no one. I am an excellent judge of people, and most of the time my first instincts are correct, but when they are wrong, I literally come out to the person and say, "Hey, I misjudged you when I first met you, and I am sorry. I was wrong."

No harm, no foul. Just my two cents.

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Now as for black using the "N" word amongst one another, it's pretty much the same as women calling one another ****es, but don't want a man to do it. Who cares what a group of people call themselves? If you know it's wrong, and you were taught not to, then that's one them and pretty much their business.
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I could not have said it better. I don't tolerate this word used in a derogitory way in my presence. Frankly, I am offended by it WHENEVER it is used, but hey, if you want to look like an ignorant fool and use this word commonly, that's your business.

AlwaysMsBehavin said:
In closing I do feel that the phrase "the pot, calling the kettle black" is the furthest thing from being racist. People of color do have their defenses up when it comes to dealing with whites, and it doesn't matter if you're not a racist, because of a history that we today had nothing to do with are judged by. Is that fair? No, but the fact is most of the scars from past history, are passed down, through stories from those who indured. We know there was a time when whites did oppress people of color. That's just a fact. Do I feel you should bare the burden of what your forefathers may have done? Of course not! But that scar that most whites feel should be healed, isn't and can easily become a wound that is reopened.
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Two things:
  1. The person who got offended by the "pot calling the kettle black" is ignorant of it's true meaning. It is not now, nor has it ever been, meant as a racial slur. It's meaning is quite simple: a BLACK COLORED POT calling the a BLACK COLORED KETTLE black is hypercritical since they are both BLACK COLORED.
  2. Slavery has not now, nor has it ever been, unique to blacks. People of all races, all walks of life, have been enslaved at one point in history or another, and to single out the United States, and whites in particular, as being the worst offenders is simply ignorant. In my opinion, this article by Thomas Sowell (a black man) explains it best.
 
how did this turn into the posting for katrinia? i can't stand hearing about that. it's sad, yes, but it's getting bashed into the ground, same w/ 9/11. i know ppl are still suffering, but i donated money for it and now when i don't give money to every thing that comes around for it ppl look at me like i'm selfish. quit w/ the whole thing!!!
ARG!
 
Well soon it will be about Katrina and Rita.
 
Threads occasionally veer off path but they get back on track eventually, Psycho Girl. Just go with the flow. A little diversion is good for the complexion.
 
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