Don't let the music business make a prostitute of you (LONG POST)

Han

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Sinead O'Connor has written a few open letters to Miley Cyrus about her behaviour. While I believe doing this openly is possibly a publicity stunt, Miley is causing a lot of hate for herself with her new low. Skimming the letters will give you a basic idea of the volley between Miley and Sinead O'Connor.

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Dear Miley,
I wasn?t going to write this letter, but today i?ve been dodging phone calls from various newspapers who wished me to remark upon your having said in Rolling Stone your ?Wrecking Ball? video was designed to be similar to the one for ?Nothing Compares? ? So this is what I need to say ? And it is said in the spirit of motherliness and with love.

I am extremely concerned for you that those around you have led you to believe, or encouraged you in your own belief, that it is in any way ?cool? to be naked and licking sledgehammers in your videos. It is in fact the case that you will obscure your talent by allowing yourself to be pimped, whether it?s the music business or yourself doing the pimping.

Nothing but harm will come in the long run, from allowing yourself to be exploited, and it is absolutely NOT in ANY way an empowerment of yourself or any other young women, for you to send across the message that you are to be valued (even by you) more for your sexual appeal than your obvious talent.

I am happy to hear I am somewhat of a role model for you and I hope that because of that you will pay close attention to what I am telling you.
The music business doesn?t give a sh? about you, or any of us. They will prostitute you for all you are worth, and cleverly make you think its what YOU wanted.. and when you end up in rehab as a result of being prostituted, ?they? will be sunning themselves on their yachts in Antigua, which they bought by selling your body and you will find yourself very alone.

None of the men oggling you give a sh? about you either, do not be fooled. Many?s the woman mistook lust for love. If they want you sexually that doesn?t mean they give a f? about you. All the more true when you unwittingly give the impression you don?t give much of a f? about yourself. And when you employ people who give the impression they don?t give much of a f? about you either. No one who cares about you could support your being pimped.. and that includes you yourself.

Yes, I?m suggesting you don?t care for yourself. That has to change. You ought be protected as a precious young lady by anyone in your employ and anyone around you, including you. This is a dangerous world. We don?t encourage our daughters to walk around naked in it because it makes them prey for animals and less than animals, a distressing majority of whom work in the music industry and its associated media.

You are worth more than your body or your sexual appeal. The world of showbiz doesn?t see things that way, they like things to be seen the other way, whether they are magazines who want you on their cover, or whatever.. Don?t be under any illusions.. ALL of them want you because they?re making money off your youth and your beauty.. which they could not do except for the fact your youth makes you blind to the evils of show business. If you have an innocent heart you can?t recognise those who do not.

I repeat, you have enough talent that you don?t need to let the music business make a prostitute of you. You shouldn?t let them make a fool of you either. Don?t think for a moment that any of them give a flying f? about you. They?re there for the money.. we?re there for the music. It has always been that way and it will always be that way. The sooner a young lady gets to know that, the sooner she can be REALLY in control.

You also said in Rolling Stone that your look is based on mine. The look I chose, I chose on purpose at a time when my record company were encouraging me to do what you have done. I felt I would rather be judged on my talent and not my looks. I am happy that I made that choice, not least because I do not find myself on the proverbial rag heap now that I am almost 47 yrs of age.. which unfortunately many female artists who have based their image around their sexuality, end up on when they reach middle age.

Real empowerment of yourself as a woman would be to in future refuse to exploit your body or your sexuality in order for men to make money from you. I needn?t even ask the question.. I?ve been in the business long enough to know that men are making more money than you are from you getting naked. It?s really not at all cool. And it?s sending dangerous signals to other young women. Please in future say no when you are asked to prostitute yourself. Your body is for you and your boyfriend. It isn?t for every spunk-spewing dirtbag on the net, or every greedy record company executive to buy his mistresses diamonds with.

As for the shedding of the Hannah Montana image.. whoever is telling you getting naked is the way to do that does absolutely NOT respect your talent, or you as a young lady. Your records are good enough for you not to need any shedding of Hannah Montana. She?s waaaaaaay gone by now.. Not because you got naked but because you make great records.

Whether we like it or not, us females in the industry are role models and as such we have to be extremely careful what messages we send to other women. The message you keep sending is that it?s somehow cool to be prostituted.. it?s so not cool Miley.. it?s dangerous. Women are to be valued for so much more than their sexuality. we aren?t merely objects of desire. I would be encouraging you to send healthier messages to your peers.. that they and you are worth more than what is currently going on in your career. Kindly fire any motherf?er who hasn?t expressed alarm, because they don?t care about you.

Miley's response?
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The second letter:
Miley? Really? Who the f?k is advising you? Because taking me on is even more f?kin? stupid than behaving like a prostitute and calling it feminism. You have posted today tweets of mine which are two years old, which were posted by me when I was unwell and seeking help so as to make them look like they are recent. In doing so you mock myself and Amanda Bynes for having suffered with mental health issues and for having sought help.

I mean really really? who advises you? have you any idea how stupid and dangerous it is to mock people for suffering illness? You will yourself one day suffer such illness, that is without doubt. The course you have set yourself upon can only end in that, trust me.

I am staggered that any 20 yr old woman of the 21st century could behave in such a dangerous and irresponsible manner as to not only send the signal to young women that its ok to act like prostitutes but also to the signal that those who have suffered or do suffer mental health problems are to be mocked and have their opinions invalidated. Have you no sense of danger at all? or responsibility? Remove your tweets immediately or you will hear from my lawyers. I am certain you will be hearing from all manner of mental health advocacy groups also. It is not acceptable to mock any person for having suffered.

It is most unbecoming of you to respond in such a fashion to someone who expressed care for you. And worse that you are such an anti-female tool of the anti-female music industry. I hope that you will apologise to Amanda Bynes and to any person who has been wounded by your mockery of those who have suffered. And I hope that you will wake up and understand that you in fact are a danger to women.

Furthermore you posted a photo of me tearing the pope?s photo .. as if to imply insanity.. by doing so all you have achieved is to expose your staggering ignorance. I suggest you read The Philadelphia Report, The Boston Report, all the reports which will illuminate for you why that action of mine remains sane and valid. By mocking it you mock every child who suffered sexual abuse at the hands of priests and had it covered by the Vatican. You could really do with educating yourself, that is if you?re not too busy getting your **** out to read.

Miley's reply:
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Miley

I have no interest whatsoever in meeting you. You had plenty of time yesterday to abuse Amanda Bynes .. an entirely innocent party.. and myself.. who also did nothing to deserve your abuse.. along with every other sufferer of mental health problems and every person who suffered abuse at the hands of priests.

You can take five minutes today between g- string ****in? changes to publicly apologise and remove your abusive tweets. If you do not then you don?t give a **** who you mock and what damage you do by being so ignorant.

When you publicly apologise to Amanda and myself and all mental health sufferers as well as all who were abused by priests that will end the matter as far as I am concerned.

What you did yesterday was designed to damage me and my career and has caused me enormous distress and harrassment and has potential to damage my career. If you do not apologise I will have no choice but to bring legal proceedings against you.

I have no interest in or desire to cause you trouble but if you do not apologise for having deliberately tried to cause me hurt and trouble personally and professionally I will have to bring pressure upon you.

When you end up in the psych ward or rehab I?ll be happy to visit you.. and would not lower myself to mock you.

Be a proper woman and make the public apologies I have listed above. Your hosting SNL is a bullshit reason for not taking five minutes to do the right thing and your behaviour yesterday will rebound upon you very badly.

You have no business abusing Amanda Bynes or anyone else. How do you think you made her feel yesterday? How do you feel when your friend Britney Spears is mocked and humiliated for having had mental health problems? I know I personally want to bash those who treat her that way. If she is your friend and more importantly if you are a true friend to her.. you ought apologise for joining those who mock and humiliate women who have been too nice frankly, to manage the music business without sensibly losing their minds.

Cease behaving in an anti-female capacity. You will become the victim of it shortly. Soon it will be you the media ?crazy? .. and you will not enjoy it.. and you will appreciate people (like myself) standing up for you. Which I will be happy to do.. if you earn my respect today by apologising publicly.
 
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From the bouncing back and forth it seems like this is a publicity stunt by them both. Sinead seems to be trying to make herself relevant again and Miley is taking the bait and trying to look 'edgy' and completely shake her Disney background.
 
I don't do Twitter; I find Twitter to be tedious and blas?. If these are accurate representations of the things Sinead O'Conner had to say to the brainless sex toy that is Miley Cyrus, Sinead is my new hero. She is dead-nuts spot-on 100% correct in what she's telling the trashy little pig. All Cyrus has managed is to make herself look like the cheap **** she apparently is, and she also looks like a spiteful, arrogant, self-important child having a temper tantrum. I hope none of the young ladies here look up to this waste of space. She could handle herself so much better; she could exploit her talent for money as opposed to her body, but she takes the easiest way to make a dime. By - as O'Connor put it - prostituting herself.
Young ladies these days seem to think they know it all; I was the same when I was that age. Nobody could tell me anything, I knew better than everyone. Wasn't till I was in my late 30's that it finally sunk in just how little I did know.
Miley Cyrus is shameful, on her best day. She is repugnant and disgusting, hanging her tongue out all over the place like an overheated dog. I sincerely hope the intelligent young women I have come in contact with on this forum see her for what she is, and don't look up to or emulate this little twit. No one, including Miley Cyrus, can live off their looks forever. Beauty fades. Honor and self-respect only grow and make you more beautiful than what you look like.
 
All I think is, Miley is DGAF'ing and everyone is taking her seriously. It's stupid. I like her, I like her music, and I acknowledge she has negative sides just like every other person in the world.
 
All I think is, Miley is DGAF'ing and everyone is taking her seriously. It's stupid. I like her, I like her music, and I acknowledge she has negative sides just like every other person in the world.

A lot more people are taking this seriously purely because she is attacking mental illness. Also - to pull up twitter posts from two years ago to show the illness O'Connor suffered as a way to insult her public letters really is a new low and takes more effort than ignoring it as someone who DGAF would do. I personally lost more respect for her as a result.

But each to their own.
 
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All I think is, Miley is DGAF'ing and everyone is taking her seriously. It's stupid. I like her, I like her music, and I acknowledge she has negative sides just like every other person in the world.

@Tommy ... Help an old, out-of-touch broad out and explain for me, please.... What is DGAF'ing? (I don't know the latest lingo you young folks use!)
 
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*facepalm* One of the patches on the vest I wear when I ride reads: D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F. We (bikers) say it as a word, Dilligaf. It stands for Do I Look Like I Give A ****?
I really should have known that one. Thanks, [MENTION=1403]Han[/MENTION]!!
 
A lot more people are taking this seriously purely because she is attacking mental illness.

And THAT is what makes her look like a self-important, spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum. No self-respecting adult should act like that.
She does have influence on kids because her music is appealing, and she should act accordingly. No matter how great she may sound, I will never spend a dime on anything with the Cyrus name on it.
 
Don't get me wrong, she is a ****. But I like her music, I like her style and I like how she seems to be quite honest. I don't like a lot about her and I wouldn't call me a fan, I mean most the music I like of hers is from her Disney days anyway. But I still think everyone is taking her too seriously. I hate so many celebrities but I just ignore them and that's more affective.
 
I don't get angry with Miley anymore, I actually feel quite sad for her. She's ruining her career, AND she's acting like a 5 year old with those tweets and stunts she's pulling on Twitter. She isn't listening to anyone and I hope she realizes one day, how wrong she was. She's starting to remind me of Lady Gaga, with these weird music videos because I know it will get worse and worse. I guess it's her choice. She'll lose everything and she doesn't care, oh well. Good luck to you, Miley...
 
From the bouncing back and forth it seems like this is a publicity stunt by them both. Sinead seems to be trying to make herself relevant again and Miley is taking the bait and trying to look 'edgy' and completely shake her Disney background.

This...


Absolutely 0% of this is by mere chance, miley is getting paid **** loads to do what she's been doing, she's not doing it because she wants to, she's most likely stuck to a contract that says how her life will be for the next X years, and if she doesn't do Y or Z there will be repercussions, or she shows up dead like MJ or Amy Winehouse.

TL;DR; These people are all puppets with hands far up their ****.
 
she's not doing it because she wants to

You can not possibly believe that. You think she has a gun to her head swinging around on the wrecking ball, wagging her tongue out like she does? If you think she is being forced to do ANYTHING she does, you have absolutely no clue how the world operates. She has free will, she has a daddy with more money than any 12 people need, her name is well known in music circles and she's a blatantly spoiled little trollop! She hasn't been forced to do any **** thing. She IS doing this because SHE CHOSE TO DO IT.
 
You can not possibly believe that. You think she has a gun to her head swinging around on the wrecking ball, wagging her tongue out like she does? If you think she is being forced to do ANYTHING she does, you have absolutely no clue how the world operates. She has free will, she has a daddy with more money than any 12 people need, her name is well known in music circles and she's a blatantly spoiled little trollop! She hasn't been forced to do any **** thing. She IS doing this because SHE CHOSE TO DO IT.

You can't say that because you don't actually know, it could be her own choice but personally I think her management team or whatever might have suggested to act in such ways but now she's gone a bit overboard with it. I don't even know why I'm saying this because it sounds like you really don't know how the music industry works hahaha

and on topic, I think she's turned into a really horrible person but I like her music anyway
 
And yet, I can say it. I DID say it. And I maintain that what I said is correct. People in this industry are not forced to do anything. Why you children seem to think they are forced is a real puzzle. They are superstars with millions and millions of dollars. NO ONE forces them to do anything.
 
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Absolutely 0% of this is by mere chance, miley is getting paid **** loads to do what she's been doing, she's not doing it because she wants to, she's most likely stuck to a contract that says how her life will be for the next X years, and if she doesn't do Y or Z there will be repercussions, or she shows up dead like MJ or Amy Winehouse.

TL;DR; These people are all puppets with hands far up their ****.

How are the deaths of Amy Winehouse or Michael Jackson relevant... do you think their deaths were conspiracies or something because they weren't following the rules?
 
MJ and Amy's deaths could have been completely at random, but they also could have not been.

And yes, Miley is doing only what she's being told and paid to do, you can be sure of that, she may have millions and millions but she's still just a millionaire puppet, thinking she isn't shows that you have no idea what goes on when a lot of money is involved.
 
Amy Winehouse was a great drug abuser, it's a wonder she survived as long as she did.
MJ just had an incompetent doctor who aided in his overdose of prescription drugs. Though, apparently he died 18 years before according to one of the conspiracies floating around.

So many people try to put conspiracies behind everything - internet and media - most of the time, it just is what it is. :)
 
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