Human Sexuality

Kirk

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Do you think that human sexuality is heavily impacted by sociocultural factors and religion? Do you think this impact is positive or negative?


To me it seems as if society changes it's views on sexuality every few years; taking homosexuality as an example, it wasn't too long ago where it was looked down upon and homosexuals were afraid to express their feelings. Now-a-days it's widely accepted as a norm, along with bisexuality and transexuality. I don't quite understand why it is we change our views, or why we even come to each opinion in the first place. In recent years you could say that homosexuality has been accepted due to the efforts of people campaigning, but what made us arrive at our original viewpoint?
 
See I'm not entirely sure...I think once we were made to see reason that there really isn't anything wrong with these things then people begin to train themselves to be accepting because they feel it will make them better people. It's not always necessarily to do what they think is right, but also because they want to seem accepting and so you get masses of people following. Then there's the ignorant/intolerant people...though it's funny because if we associate those negative words with homophobic people then of course people will begin to move on :P
I also think that more people feel it's safe to explore their sexuality now.
I'm not really sure why we've changed our views, but I'm very glad the world is a bit more accepting than it was :)

I see a large difference in how accepting I am and how judgmental my older family members are; parents/grandparents.
 
i'm glad things are happening in our world so that 'homosexual' isn't such a derogatory term anymore.(:

things still aren't exactly spectacular- especially where trans* is concerned. right now all the focus is on gay marriage and 'rights' (aka marriage). and by gay i mean male and male homosexuals- lesbians are sometimes lumped in there, but they're largely regarded as being much more 'temporary' and are more sexualised by the masses than gay men. (though yaoi has kind of turned the tables so they're getting sexualised to hell as well, haha. but that's more of a niche market). bisexuality is still seen as being selfish or people who can't make up their minds. even in the gay community they're bullied quite a lot.

but trans* is just a completely different matter. not many people are comfortable with the ideas of transgender shifting bodies. transgender persons have constantly been used as a trope in movies as some sly, oversexualised creature who lies to people (usually men) about their 'actual' sex and 'trick them' into lewd acts with a 'lady with a ****'. (ie, hangover part II)
a lot of people don't even know that even if someone is transgender, they might not want to change their physical body. some are honestly happy with what they're 'given', but mentally they still feel the opposite gender.
there's a lot lumped into trans* in terms of mind-not-matching-up-to-body. there's genderfluid, where a person could feel as if they shift genders throughout their life. there's bigender, where a person feels they're both genders.

and people completely abuse these types of people. if you think the rate of bullying and homelessness in **** is bad, take a look at trans*. i've personally known 2 trans* persons kicked out of their home without so much as a 'you're disgusting' and a dollar to their name.

as far as homosexuals, progress is really starting to be made and pick up the pace. the BTQ? not so much. in fact, a lot of people drop the Q completely, and sometimes the T, and sometimes even the B. just LG. lesbians and ****. pansexual is hardly a household term. **** still get harassed, trans* persons get harassed. people who are different get harassed, ignored, and abused. it is definitely nice to see people making efforts. i just wish we lived in a perfect world where we didn't need to create equality, lmao
 
i'm glad things are happening in our world so that 'homosexual' isn't such a derogatory term anymore.(:
Agreed 100%.

but trans* is just a completely different matter. not many people are comfortable with the ideas of transgender shifting bodies. transgender persons have constantly been used as a trope in movies as some sly, oversexualised creature who lies to people (usually men) about their 'actual' sex and 'trick them' into lewd acts with a 'lady with a ****'. (ie, hangover part II)
a lot of people don't even know that even if someone is transgender, they might not want to change their physical body. some are honestly happy with what they're 'given', but mentally they still feel the opposite gender.
there's a lot lumped into trans* in terms of mind-not-matching-up-to-body. there's genderfluid, where a person could feel as if they shift genders throughout their life. there's bigender, where a person feels they're both genders.

and people completely abuse these types of people. if you think the rate of bullying and homelessness in **** is bad, take a look at trans*. i've personally known 2 trans* persons kicked out of their home without so much as a 'you're disgusting' and a dollar to their name.
I'm generally quiet about this because I prefer to be seen as a regular ol' dude, but speaking as a transgender male and someone who's fairly active in the trans* community, I can absolutely vouch that the T in LGBT is often either forgotten or treated like ****. I get the feeling that it's going to be a long time before a fair amount of people understand that we don't exist to be dismissed entirely, or as freaky to be poked fun at. I can honestly still laugh at "tranny" jokes sometimes because I've learned to make fun of myself, but it still makes me wince when I see the stereotypical exaggerated, badly-dressed transwoman being used as a gag in countless movies and the like. :/
 
In the last five years I've seen an enormous rise in Bisexual/Lesbian/LGBT orientation and came to the conclusion that some 80% females in the UK alone think they are either Bi or Gay. Looking closer at their subsequent posts on public forums, not many I noticed had ever been sexually active. At all. True they had feelings, stupidly labelled themselves, but that was about it.

I've always been a no-labeller. Hence, I've had a few interesting and oft' challenging relationships down the years, but remained single and actually am quite happy going back to 'No Label'. Makes for a happier more contented life, personally speaking.
 
Don't necessarily need to be sexually active to know what you're into, mind. I sure knew before I ever so much as got to first base, haha.
 
As for why... well, think of it this way. If there's the threat of persecution (of any sort), are you more likely to admit to being what is being persecuted when you're alone, or if there are others with you?

In general, people would rather suffer with others than suffer alone, it's human nature to be a ****ing chicken **** until you meet someone else like yourself. Because humans are cowardly and never stand alone, they can only ever act with the support of others. Even if you actually have to courage to face persecution all on your own, you'll never be heard - at best you'll be shrugged off. At worst you'll get **** for it. But the more and more people there are, the more likely people will be forced to hear you. Squeaky wheel gets the oil after all. Which is to say the longer you ****, moan, and complain about things increases the likelihood you'll get what you want - but it further increases with the more people there are.

And now the question is to why that is. First, it's ****ing annoying so people generally have to listen. Second, they give you what you want just to shut you the **** up. Third, you're drawing attention to an issue to people never have really thought about before and you're now making them think about it. Fourth, depending on how you go about this this can either be a motivator for people, helping them to understand better, or will seriously piss people off because to them it seems like a bunch of ****ing and raising Hell for no reason. Fifth, because the more people there are the more likely people not involved with it are to come across it.

That's basically the gist of it. Now, as for how these things start. Organization, that's how. Once upon a time, information was more carefully spread via word of mouth and through preexisting social circles or societies. It's the ebb and flow of information. Basically, people really have always liked to gossip. And just like now, back then there were people who thought "well, what's wrong with that?" and all it takes is to act upon one idea and to find another willing to do the same (if it requires another person).
That's how anything and everything spreads, the ebb and flow of information, ideas, all cycling back around until you reach the point where things have to revert.

Which is called a cycle of rebellion. Eventually, generations rebel to the point where everything starts all over. Eventually society will reach the point where a norm (just a norm) will be settled upon and anything else will be frowned upon. This norm can vary from place to place, since there are culture differences and whatnot. Let's take this as an example, cousin marriage (just to be different from the typical example of homosexuality here, lol).
Once upon a time, this wasn't necessarily frowned upon and was considered commonplace for royal families as a whole (most notable being the British royal family). For the everyday common-folk though, it wasn't quite as common. Not unheard of, but not near as common because it was more beneficial to most families to make connections with other families via marriages. So basically, unlike royal families, they didn't have a reason to do this but this doesn't necessarily mean it was frowned upon. Contrary to the ever-popular belief that women were nothing but breathing sex dolls used to churn out babies as though that was their only function, women actually typically got a say in the matter as to who they married. Common women, of course. Typically when we never get tales of the lives of common people, we just hear about how this royal woman and that royal women were in arranged marriages and we just began to associate that lack of freedom with that generic time period.

Moving along, so basically it didn't used to be so frowned upon... then, as much as it pains me to say this, America ****ed and raised Hell and went full on revolution (as opposed to rebellion) on the British Empire and, because this is necessary during any war or revolution, they created propaganda. Now like I said, common people as a whole never had a reason (political, or whatever) to marry their cousins. So once the vast amounts of propaganda started churning about, the common folk in America (self-admitted Know-Nothings, I **** you not it was a ****ing party) just believed whatever they got told based on the little evidence they were presented. Which, by the way, was Hemophilia. This is just what started the whole thing though, in America's attempt to further alienate ourselves from the British Empire by making the royal family look like a bunch of inbred ****tards.
Of course, mud-slinging as a whole was much more common and vicious back then so... yeah...

But this is where it started, in America's attempt to detach ourselves from the British Empire by means of propaganda. This wasn't the only way, obviously, just one of many.

Moving past that point, that notion just sort of stayed with people, and because of the ebb and flow of information if it was a subject that came up peoples minds went to 'nastybadwrong' even if they hadn't actually ever been taught that is was wrong before. By virtue of being unheard of to them, unfamiliar in concept, therefore not common it's rationalized as something that's wrong... because it's not common, ergo not normal. And to further cause problems for it, if got around you had married your cousin and you had a deformed child then that became the association. And much like all information, this notion spread and it varied from place to place. Leading to absurd notions about children with 3 heads, webbed feet, etc. and people actually believing it.
Which can scare the ignorant masses, you know.

Moving along to this era, it's still frowned upon but because of the internet the ebb and flow of information is more accessible, more available, faster, slightly less prone to the telephone effect (as in the rumor changes with the more people it passes through). Facts are more open and accessible as well. But because people like to believe they're right, even in the face of evidence, they always fall back on the argument of it being 'nasty' like that's a good enough reason or something.
But look at laws and social attitudes to the issue now. Interestingly enough, although from what I gather British society as a whole frowns upon it, it's still legal in the UK. As a matter of fact, the US is the only western country which has any ban on cousin marriages at all.
Because it's left over residue from propaganda, myths, and notions that should have long sense been revised. Although in the US some states have revised them, but because the social norms still persist, because there's not enough people willing to rally behind the notion of it being acceptable, it gets brushed off and treated with disrespect.

Even if the people are making the exact same arguments as another group. For example, people say "love is love"... up until it involves something they find nasty, bad, or wrong. In which I compare it to homosexuality and the argument for Same-Sex Marriage. The notion is love is love, yes? And we should stay out of other peoples bedrooms, yes? Well, I once had this talk with a guy online about how he got to be involved with his male cousin. He found it odd he got less **** over them both being guys and more **** over them being cousins, even though the one major argument against the notion of cousin marriage (or sexual relations) had been totally removed from the equation. And that is the issue of reproduction. One major argument against cousin marriage is having deformed children, but the factor is removed in this case, so... why is it still just as wrong if they can't have children biologically with each other?
There is the hypocrisy. It's not about reproduction, it's about personal bias, prejudice, and what society believes to be wrong. Even if the major factor arguing against it is removed, the 'gross' factor persists.

So what this all leads up to is this... things change because people adapt and rebel. Make enough noise, people eventually get used to whatever notion you're making noise for. Otherwise, even if you're making the same argument but for another issue (and it applies to both issues), you're written off and treated as a freak, an anomaly, not common enough, not enough of you around to actually worry about. Because society has to adapt to social threats, either by integrating it - if the threat is big enough. Or by squashing it - if it's small enough.

All in all, things change because people get fed up, they **** and raise Hell and depending on how much Hell they raise - society is forced to accept it as a norm, or they risk social revolution. If things are not just accepted, not taken seriously, when they should be then a social revolution will happen. If the threat is minor then it can be silenced.


Now, once something becomes a norm, expect more people to be open to the notion of it as a whole for one reason or another, esp. the younger generations having grown up with it settled in as a norm.

Also, because you see people like ****ing and raising Hell over something. People like feeling like they're oppressed because they keep something secret, and enjoy the feeling of freedom that comes with shouting to the Heavens who they ****, how they **** them, when, and where. This mostly happens when people feel like they're alone in the matter, then find out they're not, then figure out they can't be the only ones around like that.
So people just like ****ing about ****, esp. now that they can do so more easily and it having become commonplace.


But that's how things change. It all starts with a small spark, then not long later you have a wildfire on your hands. And the organization part has only increased with the internet, which is why ****ing and complaining about things is more commonplace now - the internet has made it easier.

As for sexuality itself, people want to seem open and accepting, esp. women, so often Heteroflexible women (some men but it's mostly women) claim to be Bisexual. Because some people think rejecting the notion of Homosexuality, as far as they're concerned, that they'll come off as being homophobic or something. That and Bisexuality in women is considered 'hot' so it's more socially acceptable for women to be that, as opposed to men because 'men can't be Bisexual' according to some people.
Point being the more open something is, the more open people are to being that. The opposite is also true. Because, yes, society does have a large say in how people end up sexually. Social factors are always important in sexual development. Social factors are always important regardless.

One other thing, one social movement can spark another.
 
I have never been convinced with the multiple sexuality thing. The human sexuality is clear. It is the instinct by which the human race can reproduce in order to survive. The only homosexual case I find convincing is the one in which the person would be biologically different. When the person carries a considerable amount of the hormones of the other sex. But nowadays, most people who claim to be homosexual, are completely normal people.

And the bisexuality concept doesn't make sense for me at all, not logically, nor scientifically.
 
to be honest, human sexuality is much less for reproduction and more for pleasure/social advances
it takes 10 months for humans to gestate, even if there's 10 woman to each 1 man that's still 10 months out of the year where sex for reproduction is idiotic
homosexuality has been prevalent for eons; bisexuality has as well. though bisexuality is generally much more common in females, it's use was for socialisation; unification of groups and to give pleasure (apparently men failing to give women orgasms has been quite the fact since the beginning of time :b). males would participate as well, which is clear when thinking back to roman/grecian eras (though the greeks were more about penetration = power, they had no regards to what they were penetrating; they didn't even have a word for homosexuality). it's a show of power, it's something to stable out emotions and help people open up to themselves and others.
if sex was all about procreation, we wouldn't have prostitutes, masturbation, abortion, birth control, one night stands, paedophilia, zoophilia, most fetishes in general, strippers, and all the other fun stuff i failed to mention.

the human brain was practically made to **** up. hormones definitely play a part in deciding whom a person is attracted to, but it'd never be so binary as homo or heterosexual. there are too many variables in the brain's chemistry- think of all the mental disorders exist. if the human brain were perfect enough to decide that it will only be attracted to either or, it'd probably also be able to function in a way to be equally as balanced when it comes to depression, schizophrenia, etc.
if the whole 'lesbians have male/more masculine brains and **** have female/more feminine brains' bit were true, all **** would actually be transsexual. all lesbians would be butch, and all **** would be fairies. human nature doesn't work that way.(:

i didn't explain much, or really said anything too ground breaking, but i know enough to know it's not all black/white procreation business lmao

some sources/reading material:

sex and reason - richard a. posner
the biology of homosexuality - jaques balthazart
lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans and **** psychology: an introduction - sonja j. ellis, elizabeth peel

live and let live etc etc
 
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