I was reading through 1010 wins (an all news radio station) website and found this. I find it absolutely ridiculous. I think the separation of church and state has been taken WAY too far. It's been taken out of proportion and made to be something keeping anything religious at all out of schools. I don't think this is what the writers of the constitution meant when they wrote about separation of church and state at all.
Lawsuit over "Jesus pencils"
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I do understand that. Like you said, it would be the other kids' perogative to say no. They're little kids. They're not going to be influenced by a little pencil. They'll write with it. I think teachers are so worried about lawsuits over everything that they don't think about whether they're going too far.
It's good to have another point of view from someone who's not Christian.
It's good to have another point of view from someone who's not Christian.
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I'm agnostic, so I'm undecided and open to alot.. and I feel that this kid was doing nothing wrong at all. I can't belive that the government is being so ANAL!! sheesh! Man, if you walked down the street screaming out, "JESUS RULES ALL!!!"... then that would be going to far, but this...
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"Gecko-In-A-Can... It's mmmm-mmmm good!"
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"Gecko-In-A-Can... It's mmmm-mmmm good!"
Being an athiest, and someone harshly opposed to organized religion, I would be very offended on a personal level to have been handed one of these pencils by this child.
Having said that, there's no reason whatsoever that this child shouldn't be allowed to hand them out or give them as gifts. It's the perogative of the other children to refuse them.
IMO, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and faith, and is free to share those views with others, so long as it's not in a prohibitive or aggressive fasion.
I agree that the BoE went WAY beyond their limits against this child, and his rights were 100% violated. It's not their job to limit religious expression. If the parents of the other children were opposed to his actions, it's THEIR job to talk to their child and explain the situation, not the BoE's.
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From another BBS:
"hmm... Cyrix III, huh? You can put syrup on sh*t, but that don't make it pancakes."
Having said that, there's no reason whatsoever that this child shouldn't be allowed to hand them out or give them as gifts. It's the perogative of the other children to refuse them.
IMO, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and faith, and is free to share those views with others, so long as it's not in a prohibitive or aggressive fasion.
I agree that the BoE went WAY beyond their limits against this child, and his rights were 100% violated. It's not their job to limit religious expression. If the parents of the other children were opposed to his actions, it's THEIR job to talk to their child and explain the situation, not the BoE's.
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From another BBS:
"hmm... Cyrix III, huh? You can put syrup on sh*t, but that don't make it pancakes."
You are presenting a 1 sided hypocritical argument. If i wanted to promote the heritage of my aryan ancestors and pass out neo-nazi literature you would be appaled. You cannot say that 1 cult is any better than another. In high school these religious groups wanted to hold meetings on school property. We didn't mind that as much as they wouldn't let any OTHER cults hold discussions. We made up a name "NFA" Neo-Fascist Alliance as a joke and said we wanted to meet after school on school property as well. Since they wouldn't let us they couldn't say yes to anyone else. Problem solved.
Rainfall,
This forum doesn't thread like a <good> newsreader, so I'm just guessing that you were replying to me. If that's not the case, my apologies.
More name calling... (sigh)
Look, there is NOTHING hypocritical about the First Amendment. Absolutely NOTHING.
I am not being hypocritical as I couldn't care less what literature you hand out. I don't care if you came from Mars (now that's appropriate on Alien Soup), and I don't care if you believe in Catholicism, Baptism, Communism, Fascism, Scientology, or even Cosmology. Whatever you hand out is fine with me as I am just as free to ignore you, debate you, or take your pamphlet and use if for toilet paper if I so desire.
Ski Bum
[Edited by Ski Bum @ June 04, 2000 (edited 1 time)]
This forum doesn't thread like a <good> newsreader, so I'm just guessing that you were replying to me. If that's not the case, my apologies.
More name calling... (sigh)
Look, there is NOTHING hypocritical about the First Amendment. Absolutely NOTHING.
I am not being hypocritical as I couldn't care less what literature you hand out. I don't care if you came from Mars (now that's appropriate on Alien Soup), and I don't care if you believe in Catholicism, Baptism, Communism, Fascism, Scientology, or even Cosmology. Whatever you hand out is fine with me as I am just as free to ignore you, debate you, or take your pamphlet and use if for toilet paper if I so desire.
Ski Bum
[Edited by Ski Bum @ June 04, 2000 (edited 1 time)]
If you were referring to me I don't see where I present a one-sided hypocritical argument.
No one ever said anything about any other goups. I never said "but if it were those terrible neo-nazis it'd be a different story". I think YOU assumed that we might think that.
No one ever said anything about any other goups. I never said "but if it were those terrible neo-nazis it'd be a different story". I think YOU assumed that we might think that.
It is strictly inherent in your argument that you felt it was OK. There is no such thing as Objective reporting. Because the fact that the item is even reported at all makes it subjective. It's quite the paradox, but true however. You can argue all you want but it will fall upon deaf ears.
LMAO. Evidently, Rainfall likes his head in the sand, and proves that his mind is closed.
As far as I'm concerned, you and anyone else is free to say whatever the hell you want to say. I'm just as free to ignore you as you claim that you'll do to me.
Boy, do I have a deal on a class in reading comprehension and writing skills for you...
Ski Bum
