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German company DBM created a modified Audi A2 that goes 375 miles on a single 6-minute charge.

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In August, Japan's EV Club created a modified Daihatsu that ran 623 miles on a single charge.

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They sound good. But with all the built in goodies people want in today's cars, the Air Conditioner going full blast, Navigation Device and my I Phone being charged and playing my favorite audio book I wonder what the real world distance would be. And the big thing is what is the cost of the batteries and how long do they last.
 
They sound good. But with all the built in goodies people want in today's cars, the Air Conditioner going full blast, Navigation Device and my I Phone being charged and playing my favorite audio book I wonder what the real world distance would be. And the big thing is what is the cost of the batteries and how long do they last.

In comparison to what the MOTOR needs, the power consumption of these devices fall under the category "negligible".
 
yes agree with "negligible" but (maybe it sounds like a girl chat) i want to drive a car which i like and these cars are not beautiful....
but the future for them!
 
yes agree with "negligible" but (maybe it sounds like a girl chat) i want to drive a car which i like and these cars are not beautiful....
but the future for them!

These are run-of-the mill cars modified to be electric vehicles. So it's imaginable that they'll be able to modify any car like that. In addition that, they're test vehicles.

I guess the Tesla would be more to your liking. ;)

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Running a air conditioner without a motor is far from negligible. Im betting it would kill the distance the car could travel by 70% It takes a lot of energy and amps to run a air conditioner specially in the middle of a hot Florida summer. Add running the head lights, the cars computer, I-phone charger, the kids dvd player in the back seat, music and we have a long way to go before we can replace fossil fuels. Not saying I dont want it to happen. Im just being the voice of reality.
 
Running a air conditioner without a motor is far from negligible. Im betting it would kill the distance the car could travel by 70% It takes a lot of energy and amps to run a air conditioner specially in the middle of a hot Florida summer. Add running the head lights, the cars computer, I-phone charger, the kids dvd player in the back seat, music and we have a long way to go before we can replace fossil fuels. Not saying I dont want it to happen. Im just being the voice of reality.

I guess it makes no sense to argue with you on that issue ... just like people who insisted "blue LEDs don't exist" up into the 2000's ...
 
Personally I hope your right. And I hope they come out with the same prices as a comparable vehicle. I would love to have my current work van get almost 400 miles for my business.
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I dont think its helping the environment but it would be very nice to just pull in the garage and your good for 400 miles in the morning. That would mean no more excuses to get Doritos at the gas station during the day though :) With around 400 pounds of tools and the weight of me and all the other things mentioned before I just dont see it. I guess im just a hardcore skeptic on the matter because ive been hearing these promises for decades batteries being the future when my **** I-PHONE barely lasts all day without needing a charge. How about starting on the small problems first then working on the big boys. Sorry in my younger years I had some of these similar hopes of the future. Now its when I actually see it in the real world use I will believe it. Otherwise its just fun to read.
 
Don't know what your car's make and model is, but the technical specs for the modified Audi A2 show that it weighs 1.2 metric tons. Further, the nominal voltage of the battery is 380 V, and the capacity 260 Ah. According to the formula P = U * I, the physical power is 98.8 kWh (that's 98,800 watts per hour) (or roughly 134 PS * 1 h). The range is 650 km per charge. Charging time with a high-voltage power supply is 6 minutes. If the discharge curve was known, it would be possible to compute the exact output power range over specific time periods. The spec sheet says that peak power output is 55 kW (55,000 watts). Since this is intended as a regular street car, I figure it comes with all the regular gadgets. Not sure if it has A/C, since in Germany, A/C in cars is still not very common. Everything else consumes so little power in comparison to the motor, that you can most definitely use arbitrary electronic crap in the car w/o affecting range much. So, now count A/C with say 500 W, a DVD player with 10 W, and you can subtract 510 W from 55,000 W.

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p.s.: The spec sheet also list some car features: Power steering, power windows, power mirrors, parking aid, seat heating, air condition, power locks, car hi-fi stereo, air bags, anti-brake-lock system, driver assist, and so on.

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p.p.s: Oh, and usable energy is 97%.
 
Well I will be the first to cheer if thats what it can actually do in the real world when its on the market. Until then I am the king of dont believe it until it happens. But I do enjoy all the stuff you find so thanks for the reading.
 
Well I will be the first to cheer if thats what it can actually do in the real world when its on the market. Until then I am the king of dont believe it until it happens. But I do enjoy all the stuff you find so thanks for the reading.

Well, it's a project sponsored by the German Federal Ministry of Traffic, so it could well be that we see these cars on the roads here not too far in the future.

Some past projects got some traction too, like gas-powered vehicles, and other types of electric vehicles.

This new type of vehicle is the definite proof that it's possible. The question is whether automakers will jump on the train and actually make those cars.

Gas stations with suitable charge spots would be highly desirable. A charge time of only 6 minutes will have customers come into the gas stations and purchase stuff.

House owners could charge overnight or quick-charge in the morning.

I've heard that the US electric vehicles are also pretty good, even the Chevy Volt with its currently limited range. New battery technologies like those shown above will give cars better range, and such cars would be highly desirable on the US markets as well.

The question is whether the old-boy-networks of automakers will be flexible enough to change the industries depending on fossil fuel motor production into industries depending on electric car part production.

In my lifetime, I've also seen many interesting projects come and go, and I hope that finally, the auto industry is capable of change.

If not, we'll be purchasing them from China or Japan, and names like Mercedes-Benz will only ever be printed on household appliances anymore.

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p.s.: It's also possible, that someday retrofitting shops will emerge if the auto industry proves to be too inflexible.
 
I just saw an oil company, who bought a bunch of electric cars and then had them crushed.... I guess the less electric cars, the more money they end up making from us buying fuel for our normal vehicles.
 
I just saw an oil company, who bought a bunch of electric cars and then had them crushed.... I guess the less electric cars, the more money they end up making from us buying fuel for our normal vehicles.

How wasteful!

Crushing cars makes no sense whatsoever, especially since most parts can be recycled or re-sold.
 
How wasteful!

Crushing cars makes no sense whatsoever, especially since most parts can be recycled or re-sold.

Yes, but oil companies would lose the money they get from fuel users. It's all business and greed and part politics. Tons of businesses waste daily.. It's sad but true. And most of us can't do anything or are to scared to do anything.

They are the big, rich and powerful. We are the small, average and weak.
 
It's sad but true. And most of us can't do anything or are to scared to do anything.

They are the big, rich and powerful. We are the small, average and weak.

That's a horrible thing to believe in!!

Every person can make a difference. Just take Hitler as an example: From big-mouth failed artist to dictator that murdered millions in only a few years! ;)

Every successful person has foremost the will to achieve something.

If you believe you're a weak little creature with nothing much to achieve, then it will be like that all your life.

If you want to achieve something, then start working on it.

If you want to achieve something politically, become a politician! :)
 
That's a horrible thing to believe in!!

Every person can make a difference. Just take Hitler as an example: From big-mouth failed artist to dictator that murdered millions in only a few years! ;)

Every successful person has foremost the will to achieve something.

If you believe you're a weak little creature with nothing much to achieve, then it will be like that all your life.

If you want to achieve something, then start working on it.

If you want to achieve something politically, become a politician! :)

Well the people that heard about this and wanted to stop it.

They couldn't do anything. The oil company paid people to go to their homes and trash it.

They went to their employers and pressured them to fire them from their jobs.

They paid media companies to NOT post the video's and info about them destroying the cars.

So how do you fight someone like that? They can get ANYTHING done with the money and influence they have... If you try to do anything they can counter it so easily.. it's like they are killing a fly with a machine, that can target it head on.
 
Well the people that heard about this and wanted to stop it.

They couldn't do anything. The oil company paid people to go to their homes and trash it.

They went to their employers and pressured them to fire them from their jobs.

They paid media companies to NOT post the video's and info about them destroying the cars.

So how do you fight someone like that? They can get ANYTHING done with the money and influence they have... If you try to do anything they can counter it so easily.. it's like they are killing a fly with a machine, that can target it head on.

Well, the only legal way to fight this is to go to the presses/media with it, and file lawsuits.

Where did this happen? In the US? I bet such things are illegal in the US. So, turning them in would be good idea, right?

People should not feel helpless in such circumstances. There are safeguards in democracy precisely for that reason.

When people feel powerless, dictatorships can happen, and Nazi Germany was a prime example of what happens when people feel powerless towards a ruling elite that thinks they can get away with anything. In the end, there were only a handful of people that actually did something. But it wasn't enough to stop them.

Nowadays, the Internet offers so many possibilities to rally people for a cause. They should be used when appropriate. But it is always a fight to get to people's conscience, when most people just want to live their lives. And that's the main problem. Because when no-one speaks up, nothing changes.
 
Like I said only certain media were able to broadcast it. I believe it happened in the US and it was broadcasted in UK and Canada.

There isn't much you can do honestly. American broadcasters can't write anything about it.

Any person you go to will be shut up and bribed by the larger companies. If not they will be put under pressure to do as they wish. I mean if I owned a business, they oil companies may know my contacts for say supplies. So they will have that company supplying me to STOP business with me. Hence my business suffers and they win.

Truth is you can't beat one of the largest business owners in the world. It's a fact!
 
Just to illustrate to you how inaccurate the discussion about electric cars is in the USA, here's another scare article claiming that charging an electric car would knock out the community power supplies.

Those people seem to forget that those cars are MEANT TO BE CHARGED ON HOUSEHOLD POWER OUTLETS, with their limited power output. The industry certainly doesn't build cars that blow the fuses of your households.

Here's the real numbers for the Chevy Volt: Charging time for 240 V is 3 hours at 16 A (which would be a theoretical maximum), that would theoretically be 3.84 kW charging power and 11.52 kWh. So depending on the maximum available charging current, which depends on the household circuits, the charging time varies. That doesn't change the fact that charging an empty battery would consume about 12 kWh in total, which is a signifcant number.

There's always the possibility of adding a current limiter between the charger and the power outlet to have it charge at exactly the rate you want.
 
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