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Brandon

Brandon

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I thought I had posted this the other week, but here it is again if I had. :D
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhMMmqzbD8[/video]
 
Dont have a problem with target or Walmart corparate practices. But I hate shopping at Walmart and will only go targets because employees are just plain friendlier and the place doesnt feel like a gang fight could happen any second.
 
I hate shopping at these stores too. As for the whole BS about them killing mom and pops, thats not true. I watched some interesting documentarys proving that Wal Mart and stores like it or good for the community. But yeah nice find :)
 
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They are pretty honest about it..It has 4 parts though ..Thats all I see on Youtube...But there is this good one soley about the town who sued them to keep walmart out of their town. So that town got what wanted. Walmart moved a town over and the town said no became dead and places closed. while the one over with Wal Mart thrived and more business popped up around Wal Mart
 
They are pretty honest about it..It has 4 parts though ..Thats all I see on Youtube...But there is this good one soley about the town who sued them to keep walmart out of their town. So that town got what wanted. Walmart moved a town over and the town said no became dead and places closed. while the one over with Wal Mart thrived and more business popped up around Wal Mart
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I like watching Penn & teller also but they are pretty one sided lol

The other thing you said about the town...Walmart has the towns pay for their lots Millions and millions of dollars. That town built the lot then walmart wanted more to go into that town. The town didn't have the money so sued walmart to enter the town for what was agreed. Instead walmart went to the next town that agreed to more money and built the new walmart only a couple of blocks away.

Walmart is really bad and does kill towns.
 
I would disagree. WalMart gives 100s of 1000s of people who have no skills at all jobs. They are the #1 employer in the USA. I mean people want to hate and all that, but they do alot for the communities they move into and are very environmental friendly.

Also, I love Pen and Teller. And I dont think they are one sided. They just speak the truth. They only use facts in their shows. Which is why I love them. They come off as azzholes sometimes but hey the truth isnt always nice.
 
They maybe the #1 employer but they really don't do any good to communities.

They actually have policy on union busting. Also sites around a lot of walmarts are very polluted. They put whole towns out of business and charge them an arm and leg to have them in their towns putting them in huge debt.
 
I'll never forget one day when I was working for this beer company and I had to stop by the walmart to stock the shelves.
well 1.. vendors hate walmart, the backend ppl are jackasses, they think because they run the shipping area that their top sh!t when I'd be surprised if they make 30-40k a year.
and 2.. it was a cold day, snow on the ground and I was stocking the beer shelves, taking my time and making 9 something an hour. As I was leaving I saw and talked to one of the guys gathering up the carts to take inside. (did I mention it was snowing) they were making less then 6$ an hour and working way harder then I was, that's for sure.
I don't like walmart but some of the prices are to good to pass up, I do believe it drives mom and pop shows out of businesses and isn't really that great for any town.
 
Well, as for as working for them I did for while. I was even on the setup team that goes in and setups new stores and stuff. And yeah they treat employees crappy with wages, but they are good for communities.

I have seen it first hand. When WalMart moves in it allows for other business, like stripmalls and such. And then when its a small town and has nothing else, it becomes the center hub of town. SO many nights I worked late shift in 24/7 Wal Mart and kids would hang out there. Its just how it is.

They bring in more traffic, more money, more people. I dont see how people think thats bad. They are seriously interested in helping not hurting. They help community more than employees. This whole they kill stores is BS. If the stores have a good stganding in town and people are loyal stores remain.

But afterall thats just my opinion. And watch Penn and Teller LOL They are hillarious
 
Brandon said:
I'll never forget one day when I was working for this beer company and I had to stop by the walmart to stock the shelves.
well 1.. vendors hate walmart, the backend ppl are jackasses, they think because they run the shipping area that their top sh!t when I'd be surprised if they make 30-40k a year.
and 2.. it was a cold day, snow on the ground and I was stocking the beer shelves, taking my time and making 9 something an hour. As I was leaving I saw and talked to one of the guys gathering up the carts to take inside. (did I mention it was snowing) they were making less then 6$ an hour and working way harder then I was, that's for sure.
I don't like walmart but some of the prices are to good to pass up, I do believe it drives mom and pop shows out of businesses and isn't really that great for any town.
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I worked for Wal-Mart stocking shelves and between idiot managers whom I doubt even graduated high school and working you like a dog I only lasted 3 weeks.

Cerberus said:
Well, as for as working for them I did for while. I was even on the setup team that goes in and setups new stores and stuff. And yeah they treat employees crappy with wages, but they are good for communities.

I have seen it first hand. When WalMart moves in it allows for other business, like stripmalls and such. And then when its a small town and has nothing else, it becomes the center hub of town. SO many nights I worked late shift in 24/7 Wal Mart and kids would hang out there. Its just how it is.

They bring in more traffic, more money, more people. I dont see how people think thats bad. They are seriously interested in helping not hurting. They help community more than employees. This whole they kill stores is BS. If the stores have a good stganding in town and people are loyal stores remain.

But afterall thats just my opinion. And watch Penn and Teller LOL They are hillarious
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I disagree. Niche stores may pop up in strip malls but Wal-Mart almost always builds far away from Main Street thus drawing business to their section of town. Everything on Main St goes downhill. The only thing that seems to really successfully 'follow' Wal-mart are Home Depot's, Lowes, etc because Wal-Mart brought the traffic there.

In two instances locally Wal-Mart built and strip malls that were once thriving are now desolate. Back in the early 90s a new strip mall was built about 20 minutes from me. Kmart was the anchor along with a grocery store, and a bunch of little stores in between. Wal-Mart built about 5 years later within a few years that mall was desolate. Stores opening and closing all the time because Kmart no longer brought the traffic for those stores due to Wal-Mart.

Same thing happened 20 minutes in the other direction. The only difference is instead of Kmart it was an Ames (formerly Jamesway).

That being said I do see strip malls popping up near Wal-marts but it seems the only ones who can survive are other large retailers like Staples, Shop Rite, etc Mom and pop operations open and close like it's going out of style.

I don't knock Wal-Mart for being smart. I knock them for effectively making themselves the only place for unskilled labor to work in town then working people like a dog and paying them crap while offering benefits that amount to a joke.
 
Big Dan said:
I worked for Wal-Mart stocking shelves and between idiot managers whom I doubt even graduated high school and working you like a dog I only lasted 3 weeks.



I disagree. Niche stores may pop up in strip malls but Wal-Mart almost always builds far away from Main Street thus drawing business to their section of town. Everything on Main St goes downhill. The only thing that seems to really successfully 'follow' Wal-mart are Home Depot's, Lowes, etc because Wal-Mart brought the traffic there.

In two instances locally Wal-Mart built and strip malls that were once thriving are now desolate. Back in the early 90s a new strip mall was built about 20 minutes from me. Kmart was the anchor along with a grocery store, and a bunch of little stores in between. Wal-Mart built about 5 years later within a few years that mall was desolate. Stores opening and closing all the time because Kmart no longer brought the traffic for those stores due to Wal-Mart.

Same thing happened 20 minutes in the other direction. The only difference is instead of Kmart it was an Ames (formerly Jamesway).

That being said I do see strip malls popping up near Wal-marts but it seems the only ones who can survive are other large retailers like Staples, Shop Rite, etc Mom and pop operations open and close like it's going out of style.

I don't knock Wal-Mart for being smart. I knock them for effectively making themselves the only place for unskilled labor to work in town then working people like a dog and paying them crap while offering benefits that amount to a joke.
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Well, I would agree on the working like dog point, but as for them being bad in whole for a community, I say thats BS. I have watched them make communities better. And I have never heard of a town paying for WalMart to show up. I worked on the setup team for awhile and as far as I know they buy their own real estate. So a town petitions them to show and then WalMart comes in and selects a location then builds a store.

But, when they do show they bring more money and people into the local economy. I dont understand how people see that as a bad thing, also they create more jobs. I dunno, yet ****ty to work for, but good for community IMO
 
We foot the bill..

When Wal-Mart comes to town, consumers often pay more than they save. Not only does Wal-Mart ask taxpayers to subsidize the building of its giant retail stores, Wal-Mart pays its workers so little they regularly are forced to use emergency rooms and public services—at taxpayer expense.

First, the company usually asks for massive public tax subsidies and exemptions to build one of its big-box stores. Over the past 20 years, taxpayers have contributed at least $1 billion in subsidies to Wal-Mart stores and distribution centers, as well as to developers of shopping centers anchored by Wal-Mart stores, according to Good Jobs First, a nonprofit research group.

* A 2001 study commissioned by the city of Barnstable, Mass., found big-box retailers such as Wal-Mart annually depleted the town’s revenues by $794 per 1,000 square feet due to higher road maintenance costs and greater demand for public safety services.
* Elected officials in Cathedral City, Calif., gave Wal-Mart $1.8 million in tax rebates 10 years ago. Last year, when the city finally began getting its full $800,000 in annual sales taxes from the two stores, Wal-Mart decided to close them in 2005 and build a new supercenter in nearby Palm Desert. Cathedral City officials learned Wal-Mart was moving out after reading about it in the newspaper—at a time when the city already had a $3 million deficit.

Next, Wal-Mart makes taxpayers pick up the health care tab for its employees. While 66 percent of workers at large U.S. firms get health coverage on the job, fewer than half of Wal-Mart workers do, an October 2003 AFL-CIO report finds. As a result, Wal-Mart workers are forced to use emergency rooms and public services for their health care needs.

* The average Wal-Mart costs taxpayers an estimated $108,000 a year for its workers’ children who are enrolled in state children’s health insurance programs, according to Everyday Low Wages: The Hidden Price We All Pay for Wal-Mart.
* California taxpayers pay $86 million annually for such public programs as health care and subsidized housing that low-wage Wal-Mart workers rely on, according to an August 2004 report from the Institute for Labor and Employment at the University of California, Berkeley.
* A growing list of states—Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, Washington, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, West Virginia and Connecticut—report Wal-Mart as the #1 beneficiary or among the top corporate beneficiaries of its public health program for children's health care. Currently, 12 states have introduced legislation to require states to disclose which employers are shifting health care costs to taxpayers and another 27 have, or plan to introduce, such legislation. Championed by members of the National Labor Caucus of State Legislators, the legislation is designed to help measure the costs to state health care programs when large and profitable employers such as Wal-Mart skimp on coverage.
* Wal-Mart has a health plan. But because few workers can afford it on the wages Wal-Mart pays, the company instead encourages its workers to apply for public assistance.

Recognizing the huge costs taxpayers bear when Wal-Mart moves into an area, communities have begun standing up to the giant retailer. In Franklin, Wis., a coalition of union, consumer and environmental activists in July 2004 won passage of a size ordinance covering retail stores that stopped development of a proposed 184,000-square-foot Wal-Mart supercenter selling groceries as well as other goods. In Los Angeles, activists won passage of a city ordinance in August 2004 requiring retailers such as Wal-Mart to pay for economic analyses showing whether proposed supercenters would eliminate community jobs, depress wages or harm neighborhood businesses.

“They are not good neighbors. Their low-wage jobs have no health care,” says Cathedral City Mayor Pro Tem Greg Pettis. He advises other local leaders letting Wal-Marts in their community is “the biggest mistake” they can make with public money.
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Like I said before, everyone is going to be bias, but I dont see how people can hate them so much. They usually move into small town and crappy communities lacking for any good stores. And they bring people and money and jobs. Eh, who knows, I hate WalMart more than most do. And would never defend them on the employer standpoint, but I still disagree about them being bad.
 
Cerberus said:
Well, I would agree on the working like dog point, but as for them being bad in whole for a community, I say thats BS. I have watched them make communities better. And I have never heard of a town paying for WalMart to show up. I worked on the setup team for awhile and as far as I know they buy their own real estate. So a town petitions them to show and then WalMart comes in and selects a location then builds a store.

But, when they do show they bring more money and people into the local economy. I dont understand how people see that as a bad thing, also they create more jobs. I dunno, yet ****ty to work for, but good for community IMO
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I can appreciate your point of view. I really don't see them making the community a better place. They most often build in economically depressed areas which is a good business move because land is cheaper. 9 times out of 10 the town has to widen or rebuild the roads leading to Wal-Mart as they cannot cope with the increase in traffic. Okay, Wal-Mart does generate millions in tax revenue but most of that goes to the state very little makes it's way down to the township where Wal-Mart is operating.

The pay is garbage. I know a friend of mine and his wife both work at Wal-Mart full time and have two kids. Here's the kicker they qualify for Medicaid and Food Stamps! That's Wal-Marts MO, if they can push the cost on to someone else they will.

Like I said before I don't see Wal-Mart as all bad, I really don't. If they treated their workers better I would have nothing to say about them.
 
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