Circumcision

[Mom2Dee]

It's okay that you don't agree Piggy but even in 1995 things weren't as progressive as they are now. I was including you in my statement. Things have changed slowly over time and by your day you could have people in the room but most people in 1995 were still mostly kept in the bed. Now they can allow you to get off the monitors and walk or use more portable monitors. This helps labor progress naturally and often can help you avoid Pitocin and C-secs for failure to progress from getting stuck in a bed.

There have been so many changes in the way hospitals approach birth since you had your first. Major shifts into making a beautiful room that you can stay in the whole time, making it "homey", offering spa services, providing alternative pain relief options like water birth tubs (not bath tubs but ones designed for birth), birth balls, birthing chairs, etc.

So I am just grateful to have had my baby in this time. I'm one of 8 kids and my mother was very supportive of all we did with our birth. She wished she could have had any of those options in her day. My first sibling was born in the 50's and her last baby was born in the 80's. My nieces and nephews have been born in the 80's, 90's, 00's, and 10's. There are currently 13 of them so I have been very aware of how the business of birth has been changing over the last 60 years through family experiences. Of course reading all these negative IL posts has me questioning whether I would want to deliver a baby here. When you know a better way, you won't accept less.

 

[CharlieQ]

Venting accepted, but I find it amazing that so many people just assume that what the hospital does for you is in your best interest when giving birth. The hospital is a business and they do what they gotta do to make their lives easier, not to make sure your child is born with the least interventions and the most comfort for you. So many people will not accept a cookie cutter treatment for their older children, but have no problem with the cookie cutter treatment for the newborn or with signing away all their rights to make decisions on a hospital form. With the current trend in unneeded c-sections, I think everyone should know what they are getting into and voice how they want their child to be birthed into the world. Your body, your choice and if many knew the difference, they would appreicate it more. Of course life happens and what you planned might not work, but it is best to know what is going on and what is and is not necessary vs. just routine. But hey I am also one of those read the vacine side effects, split up shots, and skip them if not necessary people.

And heck I am a African American SAHM who homeschools and has enough veggies, ice cream, toilet paper and laundry detergent for a year so half my family thinks I am wacky to start with, might as well keep up the perception.

Not to mention people who have a birthing plan ussually have a cheaper bill because the hospital can't throw in all the "extras" just because

Which half, the African or the American? :lol:

 

[Mom2Dee]

Now to official become the crazy one....

I also don't believe babies have to be born in a hospital *gasp*

Hee, hee! :lol: Me either! Surprise, surprise.

I think that is where we (as women) went wrong... letting men take control of birth in the hospital setting. It had always been about women helping women. You can read about Midwives all the way back in Genesis. Male doctors taking care of the natural process of birth away from home would have been a shocking idea to most until well into the 1900's. I love talking to women in their 80's, 90's, and 100's about what having babies was like in their day. The history of all this fascinates me.

What I think is funny is that I am a totally conservative, very polite, very religious woman (as Mrs Melton seems to be as well) and not some radical "crunchy" granola type hippy which is what seems to be the stereotype for these sorts of opinions.

Additionally, one of my older brothers is a physician, one a dentist, an older sister was a very successful pharmaceutical rep, a niece is a ped. nurse practitioner, etc. I have a very medical family.

 

[luvagreatdeal]

I had a birthing plan with both of my kids and they were born in 2004 and 2006. My first birthing plan was actually followed pretty well but with my 2nd one, we got to the hospital in such a rush and he was delivered less than 45 minutes later so there wasn't really time to follow much of anything since he was in an obvious hurry to come out LOL.

I don't think having a birthing plan makes one a control freak just as I wouldn't say that not having a birthing plan makes one uninformed or ignorant about those things either. I think we all know that doctors and hospitals do not always do things that are in the best interest of the patient. They run unnecessary tests, do unnecessary procedures, schedule things at their convenience, etc all so it works out for their bottom line and in their favor. I just wanted to make sure when I gave birth that I didn't have strangers making decisions about me, my body, or my baby that were not in our best interest. And my DH was the one who actually first suggested the birthing plan and he is not the type to plan anything in his life.

 

[Cecropia]

From what I've read (granted, mainly hosted on anti-circ websites), the "original" Jewish circumcision wasn't anything as drastic as the version (Jewish & medical) that we have today. The foreskin was pulled forward and cut, leaving just the tip of the head exposed... not peeled back and completely removed... There were some occasions when Jews felt pressure to look uncircumcised and non-Jewish (sporting events done in the nude, persecution), so many of them would stretch their foreskins, leading the religious leaders to push for a "better" method that would remove all doubt that they were circumcised. If they could stretch their foreskins enough to appear uncircumcised, there must have been quite a bit of foreskin there...

(BTW, totally agree about birth choices. IL needs to make it possible for us to HAVE choices.)

 

[mrs.melton08]

Which half, the African or the American? :lol:

:lol:

I love you Charlie

 

[Steve]

linked up badly, sorry. articles about risks way higher of hiv and hpv virus in uncircumcised males. i know you are dying to read them,lol

Well I guess I blew that theory out of the water!:snicker::giggles:

 

[linkin]

Well I guess I blew that theory out of the water!:snicker::giggles:

you aren't done yet. or perhaps you are fastidious. i would put my money on fastidious. all my money. too bad it isn't spelled FESTidious.

 

[Steve]

you aren't done yet. or perhaps you are fastidious. i would put my money on fastidious. all my money. too bad it isn't spelled FESTidious.

Very careful, but not hard to please!:giggles:

 

[fords8]

this is untrue. It is NOT Islamic to do so.

some CULTURES may do so....but it is NOT Islam. If those cultures have Muslim religion they are not following Islam.

I stand corrected....

either way someone in this world cuts a womans **** off so she experiences constant pain and she doesn't have the ability to enjoy sex...

can you imagine going your whole life without a clitoral orgasm?? I wanna jump off a building right now just thinking about it! :faint:

 

[got2crazykids]

Now to official become the crazy one....

I also don't believe babies have to be born in a hospital *gasp*

I didnt think so either until, during a home birth a good friend mines baby died becouse the cord was wrapped around it neck chances are very very very good if she labored in a hospital they would have caught it and Zoe Beth would be 2 right now, so I think babies should be born in a hospital.

Hosptial births arnt bad, nurses arnt bad, doctors arnt bad, I annoys me when people (as a whole) act like the hospital is out to hurt them

 

[mrs.melton08]

I didnt think so either until, during a home birth a good friend mines baby died becouse the cord was wrapped around it neck chances are very very very good if she labored in a hospital they would have caught it and Zoe Beth would be 2 right now, so I think babies should be born in a hospital.

Hosptial births arnt bad, nurses arnt bad, doctors arnt bad, I annoys me when people (as a whole) act like the hospital is out to hurt them

I wasn't saying babies should be born without a medical provider, I also was not saying a home birth per se. I think that a medical professional should be involved for cases just like what you have so described and personally I was thinking more along the line of a birthing center (not the ones they call birthing centers in a hospital) with my statement. Since I do not want to at all question such a serious incident, I won't make any further assumptions, but since my last DD was (almost) born with the cord around her neck, I know from DH (who saw it, since I was kinda busy ) that the cord was cut from around her neck and that he was horrified during those few moments.

All Hospitals aren't bad, all nurses aren't bad and all doctors aren't bad (similarly all midwives and birthing centers are not good) and I think hospitals are very necessary for many many medical conditions and procedures, a normal natural birth is just not one of those instances FOR ME. But I have given birth to all 3 of my children in a hospital (narrowly for the last 2) and if we were blessed with a 4th I am sure it would also be in a hospital. I said I don't think they HAVE TO be born there, not that they should not. Many many hospitals are working to allow you to comfortably birth in a hopital building with a less institutionalized feel. And I don't think the hosptial is out to hurt you at all physically, I do think they are out to get the most $$ from you possible though so they do want to hurt your financially (or Blue Cross or whoever you have)

 

[fords8]

I didnt think so either until, during a home birth a good friend mines baby died becouse the cord was wrapped around it neck chances are very very very good if she labored in a hospital they would have caught it and Zoe Beth would be 2 right now, so I think babies should be born in a hospital.

Hosptial births arnt bad, nurses arnt bad, doctors arnt bad, I annoys me when people (as a whole) act like the hospital is out to hurt them

I agree. It's a nice romantic idea having a baby outside of the hospital but in the case of your friend, there would have been monitors that would have showed the baby was in distress right away. So sad. I just wouldn't take the chance.

 

[prd2frm]

I have 3 boys and they all have had a circumcision. After reading that boys who are not have a higher risk of infection and have to clean it real good it was a no brainer for me.

 

[fords8]

It's a nice romantic idea having a baby outside of the hospital

It's more romantic making the baby....:snicker:

and having the baby at home? GA-ROSS...how you gonna get that stain outta the sheets and mattress....

No thx bye!

 

[got2crazykids]

I wasn't saying babies should be born without a medical providerQUOTE]

there was a midwife who didnt catch it she was monotoring the baby with a stethascope however if the baby had been on a fetal monitor shed be here today

 

[mrsred1]

It's more romantic making the baby....:snicker:

and having the baby at home? GA-ROSS...how you gonna get that stain outta the sheets and mattress....

No thx bye!

My next post was gonna be this but you got that base covered.

"Honey call the midwife and grab the tarp! The baby is coming!"

 

[mrs.melton08]

I wasn't saying babies should be born without a medical providerQUOTE]

there was a midwife who didnt catch it she was monotoring the baby with a stethascope however if the baby had been on a fetal monitor shed be here today

Again, this is a serious personal issue and not trying to make light of it, but if you are putting the whole thing on fetal monitors than that dosesn't make sense. Fetal monitors are not on the entire labor, just at the beginning and then during signs of distress unless you get medications. Sadly, it seems as if you are saying the cord was around the babies neck during the entire labor or something of that sort and I was relaying my story where it happed at the end, so I apologize for an inaccurate comparison, was not trying to make light of the situation at all. Even at a home birth there are more advance methods to monitor than a stethescope and unfortunately like with many other instances one person who is not fully knowledgeable can cause many other to distrust-rightfully so. Not sure of the state your friend is in, but most midwives work under a physican (to have access to all the medical instruments and in some states it is required) and they get their items from there. I have a friend who birthed at home in another state and once she hit transition the hospital was contacted to they had the choice after the birth to go for a "visit" to the hospital on their own (with midwife in car) or with the EMT that were also there once she hit transition. So most home births are pretty well planned out that I know of. But I can understand your feelings with something like this being so close to you, just wanted to point out that it was not a direct result of the home birth, anyone not on a fetal monitor could have had this happen or anyone without a medical professional who did not routinely check on the baby. So MY beliefs still stand, but as I said I would personally birth at a hospital OF MY CHOICE

 

[Steve]

Ok....now back to our original question :snicker:

Don't do it!!!!

 

[got2crazykids]

well sense the midwife deemed it not nessessarry to go to the hospital the homebirth continued

and my fetal monitor was on the whole time I was in labor at the hospital a total of well about 30 minutes (I was in hard labor for 15 and pushed for like 10 minutes)

and in the hospital when the babies in distress they can get it out in minutes I realize that people have birth plans and all that but the objective is a healthy baby...........medical devices help us, for the most part not hurt us