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Joe,
Sometimes you get so busy arguing that you miss the point entirely.. Say that Zoom licensed a song and they created a Karaoke track. Leaving out all parts of the process, they put the track on CD, and in digital format as an MP4 video file or an MP3+g in zip format and you pick any other format. When I go to buy it, I pick the copy or format I want to buy.. I am not ripping it. They did... and they are selling me the ripped version. It comes to me as a downloaded data file and it is in the exact identical format that they put it into to sell it to me.. They do not send me a CD that I rip.. They ripped it. And that digital file has several means within it to make sure that all copies are identical. I have not altered anything.
In that way the downloaded file has more validity to the original then my ripping of a CDG, because I am using it in the exact form it came to me in and have shifted nothing. It is also greatly supported by the claim that we never own the music just the piece of plastic that gets it to us. So what difference should it make what means it reaches us, but in downloading it as an MP3 I am using it in the way I received it an have done no format shifting of any kind. MAKES MORE SENSE.
You and several others here have mentioned that checking out of print or business manus and CD's from non KIAA manus are outside the authority of KIAA or the manufacturers that make up KIAA. As a consumer it is not our responsibility to fix the business side of the equation. We buy a product in good faith and we use it in good faith. I have not read the download licensing documents, but I will try to find them and do so. However, I know they are paying royalties as well as my bars are paying ASCAP. Artists are being paid on both ends of the equation.. You could buy a Quick Hitz Cd here in the US that was never licensed, never authorized and no one is getting paid anything, and you think that is okay because it is on a pressed piece of plastic. Let me start at A and recount some things for you until it gets nauseating.. All Hits, Amerising, American Gold, Backstage, Best karaoke, Best of Karaoke, Big Apple, Big Hitz, CAVS, etc.. NONE of them paid licensing fees for Karaoke sync (as far as I am aware). but they are CD's so all is good.. Now that download track that did pay royalties and licensing fees is bad, because it does not have our holy plastic platter holding it. Please give me a break..
Maybe we should all go back to karaoke on vinyl and 8-tracks. oops that did not exist!! Cassettes were before Laser Disc (i have some).. Good luck running that show. Bring a file cabinet to carry your lyric sheets. Times change and unfortunately the US Codes and laws have been left vague so that people with real law degrees can take sides and be paid by people who disagree vehemently like we do.. Then it goes to court and half the judges can not agree and all of the judgments contradict one another. It's not gray area, it is the dark shadows with no light or guidance!
Also, the illustration you used to tell me someone was sued for downloading does not work. NAPSTER, you have to see that is not even apples and oranges, it apples and bowling balls. Paying for a downloaded track from a company that is paying royalties on that purchase is a far cry from illegal file sharing and grabbing all the files you can get your hands on for free. Once again, NAME one case where someone paid for a downloaded track from a legitimate seller that was definitely paying royalties and played in an establishment that was paying ASCAP and BMI and got sued or charges were filed. NAPSTER does not even come close to fitting. If you can not see that please step back and look at the bigger picture.
I sincerely hope this is taken in the light it is intended and Joe, you can get an attorney to agree just like I can and we both can spend thousands upon thousands and accomplish nothing. This is why I will not allow my discs to be marked in an audit.. Eventually the negativity and BS of this whole system is going to over-ride my love of music and singing and I will want to sell them. I envision more prospective buyers if my discs do not all have gauges in them...
Have a great night. I have to prepare for weekend gigs.
Sometimes you get so busy arguing that you miss the point entirely.. Say that Zoom licensed a song and they created a Karaoke track. Leaving out all parts of the process, they put the track on CD, and in digital format as an MP4 video file or an MP3+g in zip format and you pick any other format. When I go to buy it, I pick the copy or format I want to buy.. I am not ripping it. They did... and they are selling me the ripped version. It comes to me as a downloaded data file and it is in the exact identical format that they put it into to sell it to me.. They do not send me a CD that I rip.. They ripped it. And that digital file has several means within it to make sure that all copies are identical. I have not altered anything.
In that way the downloaded file has more validity to the original then my ripping of a CDG, because I am using it in the exact form it came to me in and have shifted nothing. It is also greatly supported by the claim that we never own the music just the piece of plastic that gets it to us. So what difference should it make what means it reaches us, but in downloading it as an MP3 I am using it in the way I received it an have done no format shifting of any kind. MAKES MORE SENSE.
You and several others here have mentioned that checking out of print or business manus and CD's from non KIAA manus are outside the authority of KIAA or the manufacturers that make up KIAA. As a consumer it is not our responsibility to fix the business side of the equation. We buy a product in good faith and we use it in good faith. I have not read the download licensing documents, but I will try to find them and do so. However, I know they are paying royalties as well as my bars are paying ASCAP. Artists are being paid on both ends of the equation.. You could buy a Quick Hitz Cd here in the US that was never licensed, never authorized and no one is getting paid anything, and you think that is okay because it is on a pressed piece of plastic. Let me start at A and recount some things for you until it gets nauseating.. All Hits, Amerising, American Gold, Backstage, Best karaoke, Best of Karaoke, Big Apple, Big Hitz, CAVS, etc.. NONE of them paid licensing fees for Karaoke sync (as far as I am aware). but they are CD's so all is good.. Now that download track that did pay royalties and licensing fees is bad, because it does not have our holy plastic platter holding it. Please give me a break..
Maybe we should all go back to karaoke on vinyl and 8-tracks. oops that did not exist!! Cassettes were before Laser Disc (i have some).. Good luck running that show. Bring a file cabinet to carry your lyric sheets. Times change and unfortunately the US Codes and laws have been left vague so that people with real law degrees can take sides and be paid by people who disagree vehemently like we do.. Then it goes to court and half the judges can not agree and all of the judgments contradict one another. It's not gray area, it is the dark shadows with no light or guidance!
Also, the illustration you used to tell me someone was sued for downloading does not work. NAPSTER, you have to see that is not even apples and oranges, it apples and bowling balls. Paying for a downloaded track from a company that is paying royalties on that purchase is a far cry from illegal file sharing and grabbing all the files you can get your hands on for free. Once again, NAME one case where someone paid for a downloaded track from a legitimate seller that was definitely paying royalties and played in an establishment that was paying ASCAP and BMI and got sued or charges were filed. NAPSTER does not even come close to fitting. If you can not see that please step back and look at the bigger picture.
I sincerely hope this is taken in the light it is intended and Joe, you can get an attorney to agree just like I can and we both can spend thousands upon thousands and accomplish nothing. This is why I will not allow my discs to be marked in an audit.. Eventually the negativity and BS of this whole system is going to over-ride my love of music and singing and I will want to sell them. I envision more prospective buyers if my discs do not all have gauges in them...
Have a great night. I have to prepare for weekend gigs.