Does having SNAP make people not care about food costs?

[ennui]

One other point i want to make, becoming a mother is more than the ability to birth a child. Mothers are women who raise a child, whether placed in her loving arms by an OB or a social worker.

 

[icoupon2]

Never knew there was a name for it. When we were kids, dad just told us kids to go out and weed the garden, before we could go play.

Borrowed from Google images these are not my nieces and nephews :giggles:

but it gives you an idea of how delightful a task it is....staring down all those rows knowing you gotta walk 'em and weed 'em :lol:

 

[Anneburn]

There are places here, in Appalachia, on some Native American reservations, that have truly dirt poor families who don't have AC, microwaves, even a solid roof over their heads. There are families in cities and small towns who are homeless.

Yes, there are places in other countries where situations are even worse. But it is a valuable question to raise, should the needy at home be ignored for suffering elsewhere?

That's why I said many and not all. Obviously there are the very very poor here like those you spoke of. I don't think they are being ignored though by church groups. My dh and I have always talked about going to Appalachia once the boys get older to help build homes, ect. I'm just saying that a lot of people who are considered poor in America are way better off than third world countries. We are lucky to live in a country that does take care of the poor (maybe too much).

 

[andystowing]

So who is YOU that you are talking about in the post directly after my quoted post.

Yes if my drivers are willing to work they make **** good money. How many of you would be willing to work like that. You seam to see one side I have money yes not loaded but comfortable ask when I get up when I go to bed and the news I watched last night was recorded I watched at 1:00am. Dh got home at 1:30am. his day started at 5)am. What time did he get up this morning for the first call of the day 4:00am. Do we have employees yes can we abuse our drivers by calling them in at 4 and then have them work until 11 or 12 at night?? If anybody thinks that working here is easy you are dead wrong. Run outside if you live near the Mercedees dealer near Pulaski road in Chicago now and see for yourself he will be droppping off a mercedes 6oo. Then ask my driver when he expects to get to Saint Loius to pick up another mercedes 600 and then when he is going to get back here to get it to Karls so he can start the process of getting it ready to ship. Yup he found out late yesterday afternoon that this would be job for the next 2 days. So bring it. Or ask the driver that in a ice storm went to Kentucky with a trailer load of generators because the mill lost all power, or last year when we worked almost around the clock getting generators to northern Illinois because of the storms that went and took power out. Or the time I even went from Green Bay to Cedra Rapids to deliver a generator becuase of the floods?? There i s a price we pay. enough said.

You directed this whole rant towards me and how hard your life was, yet you don't whine. You asked me if I would do that type of work. I replied. If you had not quoted me, I would not have replied because then I would not have thought it was about me.

Again, your posts often ring of how white collar work is lower than blue collar work, and this one did too. Yes, it offendedme because it came across tome like you are saying I could not do that work and poor little you has to do this work. You brought up the hours you work towards me, I retorted with the hours I work and also that there is nothing in the plan for the course my life is going that would have me do the work you do, because I have chosen a different path. If you meant something different than what you directed towards me, just say that. But you did single me out with your reply, so I can not accept that you weren't then pointing your finger at me.

Separately, I was not even aware that you had no children, or that you wanted children and couldn't have them, as someone who experienced secondary infertility I sincerely meant no harm in mentioning children, just showing that my life is not easy despite my non blue collar work.

The post about having a lucative job at Andy's towing was directed totally at me. And when I said I don't think you could do it I did not mean the hours per sai I meant the grulling job of it all. I can't do our drivers job on a daily basis. And never meant that what you do is any less then what we do or what we do is any more then you do. The hours my drivers have to put in are crazy but they get paid becuase lots of thier job includes heavy lifting swinging chains dropping drive shafts, laying under semis hooking them up, laying in (as what is known in our business as Garbage juice) this is the wonderful thing that runs out of garbage trucks and yes they get to crawl under and in that to hook up, and so the lucrative part of Andy's towing is that they work it and get paid well for it. And you made it sound like a dream job that you could just come up here and do that job. My job for the most part I am sure most can handle but we were not talking about my job here we were at least I thought we were talking about the jobs my drivers and DH do.

Umm I am the white collar work at our company. My offical title is office manager. So if I am cutting down white collar workers I guess I am cutting down myself too.

had to edit becuase I had written I was the blue collar worker but meant white collar. (I think that is what office is concidered)

 

[mrs.melton08]

The post about having a lucative job at Andy's towing was directed totally at me. And when I said I don't think you could do it I did not mean the hours per sai I meant the grulling job of it all. I can't do our drivers job on a daily basis. And never meant that what you do is any less then what we do or what we do is any more then you do. The hours my drivers have to put in are crazy but they get paid becuase lots of thier job includes heavy lifting swinging chains dropping drive shafts, laying under semis hooking them up, laying in (as what is known in our business as Garbage juice) this is the wonderful thing that runs out of garbage trucks and yes they get to crawl under and in that to hook up, and so the lucrative part of Andy's towing is that they work it and get paid well for it. And you made it sound like a dream job that you could just come up here and do that job. My job for the most part I am sure most can handle but we were not talking about my job here we were at least I thought we were talking about the jobs my drivers and DH do.

Peggy over and over again your response to anyone who says they can't find work is that they are not looking because you are looking for hard workers and other companies like yours and some one is hiring...so I was simply beating you to the punch and yes if someone works for you, you have painted it as the dream job for someone with no training or educational certifications. You even had another rant previously when I asked sincerely if they had to get certified first to apply about how that was so not necessary. So YOU have made it out to be a lucrative job...as is often done on CW I made light of a topic being discussed

Thank you for confirming you were finger pointing at me and therefore I retorted back towards you. My recent reply was really because I was insulted you tried to say you were directing that post towards me...of course you were.

Again I will never do that kind of work. Have no intentions and I am pretty sure based on the description you have given of your family your husband will not go trai. To do any of my work (the hardest of which is actually braiding 2 girls hair weekly :lol: ). I am not sure if it is because of the previous thoughts you shared about the way you are treated by some, but you constantly put down those who do not work in some type of manual labor work and like I said- whatever path someone chooses for work is fine, no one is better than the other.

I am a contractor, I work for myself, I am my only employee. I have Togo out and bring in my work and it is not a cushy as you try to make it seem and it also is not as easy. I get paid for only a small part of what I do. The behind the scenes work I often tell my DH makes me less than minimum wage. But this is the path I chose and it is hurtful when you are always talking about this line of work like it is a waste. I really don't consider a job the same as what I do and I think you are often talking about a job. I honestly went to school to have a career/ something I love todo that I can be paid for. But to you it often seems it is a waste and looked down on to do something you like rather than come work for someone like you and make big money, especially if it required some educational training

Since we can both agree that you were talking to me directly, I think we have cleared up my previous issue. Thank you

 

[RozeCakes]

I was grateful for home ec. My mom tried to teach me cooking but alot of her recipes were 'rachel ray" style "just eye ball it".... that may work when you're "seasoned" but at 10-12+ eyeballing makes no sense at all.

Home ec told ya to read a recipe front back up n down before starting.

HA! Yes. Eyeball it. I do it that way also. What I mean by my parents teaching me cooking is that I was allowed to 'sit and watch'. I figured out a lot based off of that, and couldn't explain what I learned to anyone today. I have and do tell people watch me cook vs. a recipe. I can follow the recipe, but deviate if things don't look right. Just like the GF Blueberry ****ins. They didn't look right, and knew it wasn't the kids that made them fall. (Still can't believe I had something fall!)

I was frustrated by the 'eyeball' concept myself for a few of my Mom's recipes. She would tell me to eyeball it, and I said, "Does that mean 1 cup, 2 cups, 3 cups?"

"Oh, I don't know. Any of those."

"No, Mom, that doesn't work..."

She finally sent me her favorite two recipe books. One is a Betty Crocker, 1952 text cookbook, and the other is "Seems like I done it this way". Anyone heard of those? I LOVE THEM.

 

[zydeco]

Our poor are rich compared to third world countries. Many poor families here in America live in some sort of housing, have an air conditioner, at least one tv, microwave, may even have at least one car. Some even have nikes, xbox's and iPhones. Compare this to third world poor---that would actually be middle class for them!

Clean water is needed for life. The lack of it is as poor as it can get. The description of your "US poor" gives away that you have never seen this area. There is no possible way it would be confused as rich.

 

[RozeCakes]

Clean water is needed for life. The lack of it is as poor as it can get. The description of your "US poor" gives away that you have never seen this area. There is no possible way it would be confused as rich.

Again, this is why I love you all. I am learning here, and stockpiling for the food pantry and Ava's weekend backpack program. (The backpack program is where they send supplies home to the families for the extremely food bare in an extra backback so the kids never notice the box of food.) Ava still has no idea it exists in her school.

 

[fords8]

I want a real recipe for my moms biscuits. I watched her for years and she never used a recipe. She opened a bag of flour, made a "well", added the crisco, egg, milk, salt, baking powder. I know what she put in just not the amounts. I asked and asked, finally one day she said ....

Why bother.. just go get those frozen pillsbury biscuits from the freezer section. While they are a nice option, I didn't want to make a trip to the store, I wanted to know how she made them. kwim?

 

[fords8]

When I was a kid we had lots of prepared foods - beef stew for us was boiled ground beef & potatoes with cans of veggie soup added in. :giggles:

This explains a lot like the bbq sauce with pasta......bleh! :snicker:

 

[mrs.melton08]

Clean water is needed for life. The lack of it is as poor as it can get. The description of your "US poor" gives away that you have never seen this area. There is no possible way it would be confused as rich.

I have only experienced it through books, videos and descriptions of this who have been there and wow...puts a whole new view on the world. Sadly, this is not something many think exist in America. (even sadder that it does exist). And they don't get that that level of poor is not something you pull yourself up by your bootstraps to get out of.

 

[andystowing]

Peggy over and over again your response to anyone who says they can't find work is that they are not looking because you are looking for hard workers and other companies like yours and some one is hiring...so I was simply beating you to the punch and yes if someone works for you, you have painted it as the dream job for someone with no training or educational certifications. You even had another rant previously when I asked sincerely if they had to get certified first to apply about how that was so not necessary. So YOU have made it out to be a lucrative job...as is often done on CW I made light of a topic being discussed

Thank you for confirming you were finger pointing at me and therefore I retorted back towards you. My recent reply was really because I was insulted you tried to say you were directing that post towards me...of course you were.

Again I will never do that kind of work. Have no intentions and I am pretty sure based on the description you have given of your family your husband will not go trai. To do any of my work (the hardest of which is actually braiding 2 girls hair weekly :lol: ). I am not sure if it is because of the previous thoughts you shared about the way you are treated by some, but you constantly put down those who do not work in some type of manual labor work and like I said- whatever path someone chooses for work is fine, no one is better than the other.

I am a contractor, I work for myself, I am my only employee. I have Togo out and bring in my work and it is not a cushy as you try to make it seem and it also is not as easy.

Since we can both agree that you were talking to me directly, I think we have cleared up my previous issue. Thank you

Yes it is a dream job in some aspects. We currently have 2 employees in such a small business building new homes (one's wife does not work outside of the home) the other wife works part time. And it is VERY ture that service industries are looking for hard workers, for good pay. And yes we will train and get the certs for a good employee to get ahead. But yes I did take the lucrative as a dig and even a cut that this blue collar physical job as a direct dig to my drivers and DH.And that they are not worthy of having respect from others as being an asset to society. I did not take it as a light stab but a very heartfelt stab at my "uneducated" drivers. I guess the "dah" is what got me.


If you really read my post about office work it clearly states that when I worked at kraft I thought this. Now that it is a big part of my job I see it differently. Will I ever say that an office job is as hard physically as a blue collar job no way, is it just as important yes.


See to me you by saying "your husband would never train to do my kind of work" is a put down. You or me don't know what anybody would do if the need be. The issue maybe not exploring EVERY oppertunity there is when the need arises.
I see issues with people refusing to work a blue collar job because it is beneath them really. Because I personal see no shame in blue collar work and have huge respect for those that do it.
When that show on Own was on when Lisa Lin said that the guy from Il now has to resort to a part time job doing janitorial work PISSED me off , like it is an undesirable job. And even when they talked to him he said I now empty garbage and sweep, not with any pride at all. See the issue I have. Hell yes be proud of it you are working I don't give a rats **** what you do take pride in it.

 

[zydeco]

I want a real recipe for my moms biscuits. I watched her for years and she never used a recipe. She opened a bag of flour, made a "well", added the crisco, egg, milk, salt, baking powder. I know what she put in just not the amounts. I asked and asked, finally one day she said ....

Why bother.. just go get those frozen pillsbury biscuits from the freezer section. While they are a nice option, I didn't want to make a trip to the store, I wanted to know how she made them. kwim?

LOL...yes, I understand! I spent 15yrs chasing Grandma's handmade biscuit recipe. Come to find out Grandma used Bisquick. :lol:

 

[lf5058]

Our poor are rich compared to third world countries. Many poor families here in America live in some sort of housing, have an air conditioner, at least one tv, microwave, may even have at least one car. Some even have nikes, xbox's and iPhones. Compare this to third world poor---that would actually be middle class for them![/QUOTE]

This reminds me of a news story I read in the 90s, a Nobel prize winner was in Malaysia for a conference, he asked to visit a slum area in the city. His conclusion after the visit was, even the poor in the slum has big color TV!

It was kind of funny, my sisters and I laughed about it, because we didn't have a color TV until 1995. My brother bought one a few months after his first job after college. (But, my parents put five kids through college, none of us had a school loan)

 

[Anneburn]

Clean water is needed for life. The lack of it is as poor as it can get. The description of your "US poor" gives away that you have never seen this area. There is no possible way it would be confused as rich.

Once again, that is why I said MANY not ALL.


Interesting article on obesity, diabetes and poverty. This alone should be a reason to put limits on what people are able to buy with food stamps.

http://m.diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/60/11/2667.full

 

[RozeCakes]

Here is what the "Seems Like I Done It This Way" cookbook tells me. (Sweet milk is whole milk, FYI.) This book was compiled before the 1960s, with some recipes dating back to 1890s. The author was a Home Ec consultant. Certain terms are a little dated in the wording, but I'm sure we all heard of the terms ourselves, or from relatives. The following is written verbatim.

Angel Biscuits (with sweet mik)

5 c. all purpose flour
1 t. baking powder
1 t. salt
2 c. sweet milk
2 T. sugar
3/4 c. vegetable shortening
1 yeast cake dissolved in 1/2 c. lukewarm water, or use dry yeast.

Put yeast, water and sugar in cup or small container and let set while you mix together other ingredients. Sift flour, baking powder, and salt together. Cut in shortening, add milk and dissolved yeast, and work all together, cover and refrigerate. When needed take out amount you want, roll out, cut into biscuits. Let rise until light, about 45 min. or until double in bulk. Turn biscuits only onto greased pan. Bake 15-20 min. in 400 (degrees) F. oven. Will keep several weeks.

 

[newfly]

What's a "yeast cake"?

And is vegetable shortening Crisco?

 

[skincarekathy]

Vegetable shortening is Crisco. These work as well with lard/manteca. You can always find lard at Hispanic stores. I happened to find 10 tubs of lard at Dominicks on the clearance table yesterday. I have to go back and see if they put more out.

A yeast cake = 2-1/4 teaspoon of dry yeast or one packette of dry yeast

 

[fords8]

My issues wasn't the ingredients... it was the wetness of the dough. When I ask well how do you know if its too wet/dry... I would receive the look and the answer of well, ya just know by feeling.

I get this response for pie crust as I make great homemade pie crust and it is by feeling. I have yet to make biscuits as good as my moms and I miss them.

 

[mrs.melton08]

See to me by saying "your husband would never train to do my kind of work" is a put down. You or me don't know what anybody would do if the need be.
I see issues with people refusing to work a blue collar job because it is beneath them really.

I said after that the hardest is braiding hair....that was no more a dig at your husband than at mine. I dont see many men who like to work with their hands sitting down and hand mixing Shea butter and coconut oil to grease scalps and cornrows hair with beads and accessories. I was not talking about my work as a clinical social worker, I was talking about being a full time homeschooling, work at home mom....I was joking. Geez I even used a smilie