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I'm not afraid to say that I voted "no".
Liz clearly has some social awkwardness but she is also really trying in her own way. Like Bennaloe said, she has made some strides. Yes, it is taking her a really long time - she just isn't keeping pace with the time table we would set for ourselves. That doesn't make her wrong.
Yes, she got rid of that dog and that was very sad and a poor life choice. But let's stop beating that dead horse already and move on. It's not like she can go to the shelter and say "I made a mistake, I want the dog back now!". So LET. IT. GO. ALREADY.
And I know I will probably be roasted for this because I'm not perfect either, but I don't care - it needs to be said. Susan, I am very disappointed in you for even posting this poll. Why do you have have to pick on Liz? Does that make you feel better about yourself? Shame on you. You are a grown woman and a mother and you claim to be a loving Christian, and this isn't the type of stuff that someone like you should be saying. And I know I've screwed up too and said stuff I later regretted - I'll be the first to admit that I'm not perfect. But seeing this poll made me really sad, and when I saw that you started it I was very disappointed. I guess I just expect more of you. I guess I just expect you to lift Liz up with your words and in your prayers, and not tear her down when she obviously needs the loving encouragement and support of her friends. This is just very, very sad.
Liz clearly has some social awkwardness but she is also really trying in her own way. Like Bennaloe said, she has made some strides. Yes, it is taking her a really long time - she just isn't keeping pace with the time table we would set for ourselves. That doesn't make her wrong.
Yes, she got rid of that dog and that was very sad and a poor life choice. But let's stop beating that dead horse already and move on. It's not like she can go to the shelter and say "I made a mistake, I want the dog back now!". So LET. IT. GO. ALREADY.
And I know I will probably be roasted for this because I'm not perfect either, but I don't care - it needs to be said. Susan, I am very disappointed in you for even posting this poll. Why do you have have to pick on Liz? Does that make you feel better about yourself? Shame on you. You are a grown woman and a mother and you claim to be a loving Christian, and this isn't the type of stuff that someone like you should be saying. And I know I've screwed up too and said stuff I later regretted - I'll be the first to admit that I'm not perfect. But seeing this poll made me really sad, and when I saw that you started it I was very disappointed. I guess I just expect more of you. I guess I just expect you to lift Liz up with your words and in your prayers, and not tear her down when she obviously needs the loving encouragement and support of her friends. This is just very, very sad.
Not trying to roast you...but....
I'm not sure there is a difference in Susan "criticizing" Liz for her actions and you criticizing Susan for hers, but that's just me. And let's remember, I believe this poll was born out of a post where Liz herself said she didn't think people thought she was acting like that (paraphrasing from memory - not going to spend an hour wading through threads to find it).
I'm not sure there is a difference in Susan "criticizing" Liz for her actions and you criticizing Susan for hers, but that's just me. And let's remember, I believe this poll was born out of a post where Liz herself said she didn't think people thought she was acting like that (paraphrasing from memory - not going to spend an hour wading through threads to find it).
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Interesting POV - I wasn't trying to attack or criticize. I simply expressed my disappointment.
The point behind this is that countless people including myself have tried to lift her up and she rejects it and as stated... Liz flat out said that she doesn't get the same answer from countless people. This was to show her plainly, that yes... She has been told flat out that she needs to stop creating all of the drama and playing the poor me card.
I also strongly feel that we do not help her by supporting the poor me thing. She too is a grown woman and it is high time she grew up. She will not do that if allowed to be "socially awkward". I don't know how much you have followed her threads, but she has not been nice to people that try to help her. I will not just ignore it. Sometimes people need to be confronted. I am good with what I have said and done. Sorry you disapprove. I am a christian woman. Tough love is needed. Some people are not strong enough to do that. Whether or not you agree with how this was done... This was done to help Liz and it is in response to HER. Bottom line... Liz's behavior towards alot of people up here is not acceptable. You can excuse it if you want, I will not.
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I'll start by stating I haven't read 99% of this thread, haven't read the last many days of Liz's threads.
But what exactly was Liz's unacceptable behavior towards people here? Did she insult folks? Call them names? Belittle them?
Seriously, what was so offensive? Last I knew all she did was repeatedly ask the same questions, and chose to ignore the advice offered. As far as I am concerned, asking for and receiving advice in no way obligates one to follow the advice offered. If those offering the advice were hurt, then they were too sensitive. This is the internet, not a church confessional.
See...for me, this is where it becomes less opinion and more "critical". It bugs me anytime someone says that someone else "claims" to be a Christian (or any other religion). I think it is insulting to that person, it isn't for us to judge whether or not someone is a Christian, or for us to judge if their actions are "Christian like". That's God's job and he does it very well, he doesn't need our help with that.
And the does that make you feel better about yourself...shame on you...seems a little antagonistic. That's just MHO.
"Does that make you feel better about yourself? Shame on you. You are a grown woman and a mother and you claim to be a loving Christian, and this isn't the type of stuff that someone like you should be saying."
And the does that make you feel better about yourself...shame on you...seems a little antagonistic. That's just MHO.
"Does that make you feel better about yourself? Shame on you. You are a grown woman and a mother and you claim to be a loving Christian, and this isn't the type of stuff that someone like you should be saying."
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Or... you can. What I said:
1) the topic made me sad
2) seeing that you started it made me particularly disappointed
3) I expect more of you
Liz is in therapy and on medication. She has a legitimate mental illness. Illness deserves compassion. Her problems are debilitating. I get that it's infurating to feel like you're giving good advice and are not being heard. But the girl is doing everything she is supposed to be doing to get better - she IS reaching outside of her comfort zone and she IS challenging herself and YES it took her a really long time to get out there and find a job, but she did it. And she's taking more baby steps. Just because she's not going at the pace YOU want her to or saying the things YOU want to hear doesn't make her wrong.
But my concern is that since everybody is sensitive to what others think/say about them, she's going to see this and it is going to stop her dead in her tracks. Why should she even try if it's never good enough?
I truly understand your intent, but I'm not sure your idea will have the desired response.
Not gonna go back through the months of history leading up to what I consider to be unacceptable behaviors from Liz towards people. I don't think it would make a difference if I did. If you have not seen it already for yourself, then you prolly aren't gonna see it now. Most likely we do not see eye to eye on this OR you haven't followed alot of her threads/posts.
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And this is a large part of my problem with Christianity in a nutshell. The only God can judge me, so whatever I do is okay and someone calling me out on it is wrong because only God can judge.
I can berate the staff at my Jewel, God will forgive. I can treat others poorly and God will forgive. I don't have to try to be an example because only God can judge me. Maybe God will forgive you and is the only one that can judge you, but you certainly aren't leading people to him if that is your attitude.
I hate these threads, I have avoided this one because I agree with Felicia on the mental illness aspect of it. I am proud of what Liz has done, she has made progress. I don't think she plays the victim. I don't think it is calculated. I didn't agree with how she handled the dog situation. As far as that goes, the God can only judge me crowd has certainly been judgemental about that.
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Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am also one of those who voted no. I think Liz is trying to improve her condition and situation although it may not be at the pace many are expecting from her but we all have our own comfort zones that sometimes, it is hard to get out of it with a lot of what ifs? in our mind. She has her own pace, is it too much to ask to let her be? I personally don't take offense if she does not follow what I say, that is the same way I treat my friends IRL. They'd tell me one thing that they're determined to do. I'd give them my views if they ask (if not, then I stick my nose to my business) and tell them worse case scenarios most especially, if I think they are treading dangerous ground. Since they're adults regardless of their maturity level, they go ahead with what they want to do and throw all caution to the wind. If they find happiness even for a short time, then I'm happy for them. If they fail, I'd still support them and not say "I told you so". Its all water under the bridge, what's done cannot be un-done. But we move on and manage to be friends without rehashing old issues. I don't know of anyone who takes in pleasure in being told, "remember what you did then?" what's the use of bringing up old issues except to remind someone of his/her mistakes?I have made a lot of mistakes, many of them I learned lessons the hard way. I love people who do not keep on bringing back the painful memories of my mistakes just to spite me.
Maybe if some of us get offended that their advice don't seem to be top priority on Liz to-do list or to the point that Liz says outright, "I'm not gonna do this or that". Why take it personal? If we feel offended she doesn't seem to heed advice, the best thing to do is not to read any of her thread. Instead of posting something silly or something insulting, wouldn't it best to just ignore the thread and let it die? Now, if others like to contribute something, that is between them and Liz, I don't think it is right to just say shush to people who want to write something. If we all think alike, it will be boring.
M2C.
Maybe if some of us get offended that their advice don't seem to be top priority on Liz to-do list or to the point that Liz says outright, "I'm not gonna do this or that". Why take it personal? If we feel offended she doesn't seem to heed advice, the best thing to do is not to read any of her thread. Instead of posting something silly or something insulting, wouldn't it best to just ignore the thread and let it die? Now, if others like to contribute something, that is between them and Liz, I don't think it is right to just say shush to people who want to write something. If we all think alike, it will be boring.
M2C.
I don't wanna pick on you! When you come out and ask for it it's no fun then!out: I dunno where she is maybe she took some of the advise listed time and again and pushed herself away from the puter and made a new friend.... :9:
This is very contradicting in my eyes. In one reply you are saying that if Liz asks for it then she will get it, but then turn around and say you don't want to pick on me because it's no fun if I ask for it. Which one is it??
I was being funny with you... Who gives a **** if I contradict myself with you or anyone else... I am not the debating type nor do I give a **** what you think.... maybe that better explains myself...
Lol I was just about to type "prolly just depends on how she feels at that moment.....at least that's how I am" :lol:
Anyone who knows me on this board knows I am not the one! Take your bullshit elsewhere cause HERE.... it falls on deaf uncaring ears.... :bowing:
