JOECHARTREUSE wrote: If that's it, please re-read my post. I spoke of ( and pointed it out as well) EVIDENCE, I never claimed anything regarding PROOF. Big difference. You are acknowledging that they gathered EVIDENCE- as it is stated in the suit.
But again, why would one acknowledge something that A) probably never happened, B) you didn't know was happening at the time- just taking SC's word for it- hearsay.
JoeC - despite the fact that there is a 90%+ probability that 95% of hosts have some pirated Sound Choice tracks on their hard drive systems, I guarantee you that a Sound Choice employee or one of our investigators has visited each and every show at least once (and sometimes more than once) of the defendants named in our lawsuits. We have to have reasonable evidence to be able to file a lawsuit (i.e., we can't file frivolously) without causing ourselves potential problems.
So just give up on your entire thread of speculations about our lack of evidence or that an investigation "never happened". As to stating that our claim of doing an investigation is "hearsay" - PLEASE look up the definition of hearsay. Since we are the ones making the direct statement that we did an investigation, it cannot be "hearsay". Perhaps if a third party made a claim that we did an investigation one could speculate about "hearsay".
Please re-read my post. What I said in regard to "hearsay" alluded to THUNDER'S comments on DanDan. He had no evidence, and openly admitted that he is basing his opinion of Dan's alleged piracy SOLEY on the fact that you named him. THUNDER is operation on hearsay. As for "investigation": IF investigators visited every show ( and I'm not convinced of that) then their lack of ability to do the job is glaringly evident. Also, I am still awaiting an explaination for "John Doe" suits. How are KJs being "investigated if the "investigators" don't know who they are?
Even if we were just sticking to the McCleod debacle, how could this possibly have happened if there was a professional investigation?
IMHO, there is a clear divide here among the "informed and experienced" and the "uninformed and speculators". I put Thunder, MusicMeister, and Dr.Drax in the former category.
Well you might, as they agree with your methodology. However, let's look at motivation: Dr. Drax is a well known DJ NOT a Karaoke Host. His experience in this field is MUCH less than many on this forum. WHY is he here now? a bit of "celebrity" backup? Thunder, while I disagree with him, has WAY more experience in this field than Dr. Drax, as do I, and many others here.
Forgive me Steve, but: At this point, I see Thunder's motivation as merely "winning a debate". Mine is different. I am trying to make sure that INNOCENT KJs are fully informed so that they don't make mistakes that could cost them, and to protect the business of Karaoke Hosting in general.
I have tried to do this in the past as well, arguing against public PC based shows (everyone who owns a PC can do it, right?), and conversion of tracks from CD to MP3/ CD+G to MP3+G ( much easier to pirate- no real production or distribution costs) for use in shows. I got called names there too, but was willing to take the heat. Of course, no one listened, and I was shouted down by those who merely like to win debates. The results are in, and because common sense lost out to people driven by a need to "be right", we are now suffering a HUGE influx of PC driven pirate shows- major contributors to the situation we are discussing now.
I have no comment in regard to Music Meister. I don't know enough about him. I WILL say to the positive that even though we may disagree, he presents himself intelligently, seems to limit his posts to what he knows best, and does NOT seem ego driven. Disagree or not, I'm very glad he's here.
Some might claim that they are "supporters" of Sound Choice's position simply because they are Sound Choice "fans" (some poster claimed that one or more of them worked for Sound Choice). Quite simply, I believe their knowledge of the law and of the court system and how things work bring them to the logical and foregone conclusion that Sound Choice is "in the right" and that 98% of the time (I think that was a number Thunder threw out) we are going to win. We'll take a .980 batting average anytime!
Nothing wrong with believing whatever you wish- all of us have that right.
I thought that at one point there was a collective "agreement" that all has been said and written in this post already and it was time to close it. However, given your continued speculation about the "reality" of our investigations, I obviously didn't make it clear enough (to you anyway) that we do have evidence against each defendant. (And naming "John Doe" defendants without having their complete home addresses or legal names is perfectly legal and we have done this sometimes to expedite the filing.).
Now (hopefully) having cleared up that issue, Sound Choice is also in favor of closing the thread.
I had actually posted speculations regarding the "investigations" hundreds of posts ago- just haven't recieved any helpful replies, so kept trying. However, we ARE in agreement that everything has been said, and I have been asking that this thread be ended for some time now. It's getting so unpleasant that I don't even like reading my own posts :sqembarrassed: