Gay celeb divorces, splits up twins

[Tommy]

The fact that you are creating a dichotomy between heterosexual and homosexual marriage suggests that you believe marriage does not mean the same thing in either term. Yes, society makes them appear different, but you don't seem to understand that what I am saying is that either way, both marriages are a formal unity. They are the same thing. The fact you see a difference just shows your opinion on equality and such, to be fair. You seem to care more about the beliefs of a majority group in society than what it actually is.

What you are saying seems to suggest that if a homosexual couple split up, there's going to be a huge backlash in comparison to a heterosexual couple splitting up - just because it's a homosexual relationship.

There is a difference between black people and white people in skin colour.

Am I now racist?

What the **** is wrong with acknowledging a difference in two things?

Gay Marriage and Straight marriage should be exactly the same in law.

But that does not change the fact that there is a difference between what they are when you look at them separately. One is between the same gender and one is between opposites.

 

[Han]

Woah, you really are failing to see the point.

So the marriage between a black person and a white person is not the same type of marriage as a black couple, or a white couple? The people have physical differences so their marriage is definitely not the same as that of a white marriage, or a black marriage.
The difference isn't the marriage, the difference is the people.

Even then, I didn't realise we were all a different species, and something that is frowned upon in a heterosexual marriage is certainly going to be a lot worse with a homosexual marriage because although both groups are human beings, and their marriage a formal unity - it is completely different.

You're saying that gay marriage and straight marriage should be exactly the same in law, yet you're making out that it simply cannot be the same because one is a homosexual group, while the other is heterosexual. In the countries that are accepting of the natural occurrence of homosexual marriages, the marriage is still a formal unity between the two.

You, like the majority of society (particularly those found to be against homosexual marriages), are picking up a difference between the marriages purely because of sexual orientation - that difference isn't actually there, it is a man made creation which does not physically exist. The only difference is that the individuals are attracted to different people. It is still one human being getting married to another. Do you see?

 

[Smooth]

What the **** is wrong with acknowledging a difference in two things?

Normally, nothing. But what Han is saying is the fact that you are going to great lengths to PROVE a difference between the marriage mentioned in the thread and a heterosexual marriage shows you are implying a difference in something in which you don't want there to be any difference. It's odd, to say the least.

 

[Tommy]

Normally, nothing. But what Han is saying is the fact that you are going to great lengths to PROVE a difference between the marriage mentioned in the thread and a heterosexual marriage shows you are implying a difference in something in which you don't want there to be any difference. It's odd, to say the least.

I'm going to reply to Smooth and sum up my last post here because I get bored trying to explain things. Clearly you and I aren't getting anywhere, Hannah.

If same-sex marriage was the same as heterosexual marriage there wouldn't be different titles. There's no shame in admitting a difference. In summary, they are both marriage, which is why they deserve the same laws. When I mentioned skin colour I wasn't talking about marriage, it was my way of using an example. There is nothing wrong with accepting a black person has darker skin and a white person has whiter skin. We are different in appearance. However, that is not saying that we are not all deserving of human rights. Another example would be gender. Males and females are different, but we should have sex equality because overall we're both people.

There's nothing wrong in accepting difference. Black and white, man and woman, two men vs a man and a woman. I believe we all deserve the same no matter what. I'm not being spiteful when I say I don't understand how you didn't understand what I was saying, Hannah, but that is all. There is a difference behind it and that is ok. It doesn't mean they're not equivalent.

I agree that we are all human and we deserve the same rights. Gay marriage is the same as straight marriage and deserve same rights. My acknowledgment of difference is not affecting anything so stop taking it to heart so much.

Sorry if I seemed stressful earlier, I'm tired and stressed so sorry if you think I lashed on you at all. I'm a ****y person but I'm not a horrible person.

 

[Han]

But the titles are man-made. Either way, it is a marriage.

Remove cultural and religious belief and they would not have different titles, it would be a marriage and that would be it. That is what it is in actuality, a marriage. That is what I am trying to say. By adopting those beliefs, or perceiving life in their ways, you see the two having a different title - but that is not how it actually is. Either way, a married couple, heterosexual or homosexual, will say that they are married. They will not say, 'I am homosexually married', or 'I am heterosexually married'. (We won't bring the 'civil partnership' title into this).

The titles are as you say, titles. They are just things that people have made up because some people still do not perceive homosexuality as 'the norm'.

 

[Tommy]

But the titles are man-made. Either way, it is a marriage.

Remove cultural and religious belief and they would not have different titles, it would be a marriage and that would be it. That is what it is in actuality, a marriage. That is what I am trying to say. By adopting those beliefs, or perceiving life in their ways, you see the two having a different title - but that is not how it actually is. Either way, a married couple, heterosexual or homosexual, will say that they are married. They will not say, 'I am homosexually married', or 'I am heterosexually married'. (We won't bring the 'civil partnership' title into this).

The titles are as you say, titles. They are just things that people have made up because some people still do not perceive homosexuality as 'the norm'.

That is not what I've been saying, though.

I've used the title to say, "a marriage between two of the same sex". I haven't been making a political statement or stating we're not equal. I'm just referring to a marriage that is gay. In the future I'll just a marriage between two men.

 

[Han]

I give up. We're getting nowhere here.