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NHL's new look: no tie games with shootout

I know this rule is getting some flack for some hockey fans. But why?

Ties are the dumbest thing ever in the history of sports, any sport.

Will this make me watch hockey? No of course not.

But as a sports fan, I think it's the way it should be ties suck.
 
i think the new rules are awesome, but most hardcore hockey fans are into the physical play, and fighting stuff about it

personally i like to see skilled players like fedorov and kariya given open ice to do what they do, this should be a great product, very similar to the olympic game

plus this makes august very interesting, about 500 players looking for teams
 
Originally posted by Eison
I know this rule is getting some flack for some hockey fans. But why?

Ties are the dumbest thing ever in the history of sports, any sport.

Will this make me watch hockey? No of course not.

But as a sports fan, I think it's the way it should be ties suck.
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I'd disagree with you there about tie's being useless.

In soccer we deal with a points system rather than how many games won, with 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie.

Any time you can go away and earn a tie, it's a good point earned.

The only exception being a cup tie where a clear winner needs to emerge to go to the next round when it eventualy goes to a penalty shootout.

I am in favour of seeing hockey go to a shootout rather than play 5 minutes of OT and I will look forward to that.

But I would be horrified if the rules were changed in soccer so that if the scores were level after 90 minutes in a league game it went to penalties to decide a winner.

Last season my team earned great ties at both Arsenal and Manchester United, two precious points that helped us to avoid relegation against teams with far more financial power than us and far better players than us. Sure if it went to pens we may be the lucky team to get the win then, but on the other hand if we lost the shootout it would be unjust on the performance and work rate that our players put in to earn the result.
 
Originally posted by Morph
I'd disagree with you there about tie's being useless.

In soccer we deal with a points system rather than how many games won, with 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie.

Any time you can go away and earn a tie, it's a good point earned.

The only exception being a cup tie where a clear winner needs to emerge to go to the next round when it eventualy goes to a penalty shootout.

I am in favour of seeing hockey go to a shootout rather than play 5 minutes of OT and I will look forward to that.

But I would be horrified if the rules were changed in soccer so that if the scores were level after 90 minutes in a league game it went to penalties to decide a winner.

Last season my team earned great ties at both Arsenal and Manchester United, two precious points that helped us to avoid relegation against teams with far more financial power than us and far better players than us. Sure if it went to pens we may be the lucky team to get the win then, but on the other hand if we lost the shootout it would be unjust on the performance and work rate that our players put in to earn the result.
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Well with your point system I guess I can see some advantage to getting a tie. But I will still never like it. I hate draws in boxing, loathed them with a PASSION when games could end that way in college football. Hell they used to have "time-limit draws" in pro-wrestling a lot when I was a kid and I booed that too. :lol:

I just feel that when you reach a certain level of competition, in any type of game or sporting event, that there should be a winner.
 
Originally posted by Eison
Well with your point system I guess I can see some advantage to getting a tie. But I will still never like it. I hate draws in boxing, loathed them with a PASSION when games could end that way in college football. Hell they used to have "time-limit draws" in pro-wrestling a lot when I was a kid and I booed that too. :lol:

I just feel that when you reach a certain level of competition, in any type of game or sporting event, that there should be a winner.
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The problem is in soccer it's not run in the way say the NFL is where teams technicaly are competing on the same level, in that there is a salary cap so teams can only spend the same amount and a draft to give the poor teams a chance to improve.

It's a game of have's and have not's. The big clubs in soccer are always gonna be able to spend millions and attract the best players, where as teams like my team have to budget every penny to make sure they don't go broke.

That's why getting a draw against a team like Man Utd feels like a win.

It may also be though that a tie is something I'm accustomed to in our sports so I don't see a need for change.

Equaly I'm that used to seeing NFL games and college games not end in a tie that I would probably hate it if overtime were to be scrapped now and they announced games could finish level at the end of regulation.
 
Originally posted by Morph

It may also be though that a tie is something I'm accustomed to in our sports so I don't see a need for change.

Equaly I'm that used to seeing NFL games and college games not end in a tie that I would probably hate it if overtime were to be scrapped now and they announced games could finish level at the end of regulation.
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I remember when games did end in ties in college football, and I loathed it. If they ever go back to that way, I will shoot the people involved.
 
I think this is the stupidest, gimmickiest rule they could institute.


If two teams play a hardfought game, and still remain tied after an extra OT period, I think a tie is justified. I think there should be more emphasis on getting teams to go for the win, rather than making sure a tie isn't possible.

A shootout proves nothing. It has no bearing on which team is better, and thus having it as the final say in who wins a game is ludicrous. It drives me nuts in international hockey too.
 
I notice they also instituted the 'designated puckhandling area' for goaltenders. In their attempts to 'fix' a game that's not broken, they're destroying major elements of the game. It's absolutely infuriating to sit back and watch these idiots make these absolutely unnecessary changes.

It's also infuriating to know that these changes are being forced not because there's an issue with the game itself, but because Bettman ****ed it up a while ago and this is the only way to get back to the way it was.
 
Originally posted by Samiam
I think this is the stupidest, gimmickiest rule they could institute.


If two teams play a hardfought game, and still remain tied after an extra OT period, I think a tie is justified. I think there should be more emphasis on getting teams to go for the win, rather than making sure a tie isn't possible.

A shootout proves nothing. It has no bearing on which team is better, and thus having it as the final say in who wins a game is ludicrous. It drives me nuts in international hockey too.
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I understand the idea that shootouts may not determine "who is better" but if they couldn't settle that in regulation then the previous periods didn't do much for that notion either. And the shootout styles do still give each team the same opportunity to win it. Maybe it would be better to have an NFL styled first to score wins situation, but I still think there should be a winner.
 
Originally posted by Eison
I understand the idea that shootouts may not determine "who is better" but if they couldn't settle that in regulation then the previous periods didn't do much for that notion either. And the shootout styles do still give each team the same opportunity to win it. Maybe it would be better to have an NFL styled first to score wins situation, but I still think there should be a winner.
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the only problem with that is it could literally go on forever, having sat up watching playoff games that start at 7 and end at 3 am are great, but too much for a regular season game

i like the rule changes, tired of seeing 2-1 regular season games and boring trap style hockey
 
I may be wrong. But isn't this just bringing back an old rule? I thought shootouts were the norm years ago.
 
I like some of the new rules -- the smaller goalie pads, the restriction of goalie movement, the elimination of the red line for purposes of 2-line passes.

I wish they had adopted the international rule about icing, though (although exactly what the rule was escapes me at the moment :lol: ) I just remember watching the olympics and liking the rule about icing.

I absolutely HATE the shootout thing. Team games should not be decided by shootouts. I liked the 4 on 4 ot. Maybe they should have made it 10 minutes instead of just 5.
 
Originally posted by mark
I wish they had adopted the international rule about icing, though (although exactly what the rule was escapes me at the moment :lol: ) I just remember watching the olympics and liking the rule about icing.
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im pretty sure they did, tag up icing i think its called, i think they did adopt that, so the games should be over alot quicker and the shootout is after the initial ot period, so maybe it will challenge teams to try and win in the ot or the end of the 3rd if they dont think their shootout guys are as good, or they have a weaker goalie
 
Originally posted by Ron
im pretty sure they did, tag up icing i think its called, i think they did adopt that, so the games should be over alot quicker and the shootout is after the initial ot period, so maybe it will challenge teams to try and win in the ot or the end of the 3rd if they dont think their shootout guys are as good, or they have a weaker goalie
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I just don't like the whole idea of one or two players deciding the whole game. I'd much rather see a longer OT period.
 
I like the shoot-out for the same reason I like the shoot-out style overtimes to college football games, it's exciting. Screw the fairness of it, both teams had their chances in regulation. I say make the ot periods quick and high drama, and both of those styles have that.
 
Originally posted by mark
I just don't like the whole idea of one or two players deciding the whole game. I'd much rather see a longer OT period.
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i wouldnt be opposed to a 10 min 4 on 4 ot before they went to the shootout, but i do definitely want a winner to the games i just paid 40-50 to watch
 
Originally posted by Ron
i wouldnt be opposed to a 10 min 4 on 4 ot before they went to the shootout, but i do definitely want a winner to the games i just paid 40-50 to watch
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I dunno.

If the teams play for 65 minutes and there was not a winner, I have no problem with giving each a point and calling it a draw. I don't feel I haven't gotten my money's worth just b/c there's no victor.

If I'm entertained and my team doesn't lose, that's cool.
 
Originally posted by mark
If I'm entertained and my team doesn't lose, that's cool.
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I've never been the way.

A tie is a loss as far as I am concerned. I don't think any contest or game is finished until there is a winner. And if you weren't going to finish and exhaust every avenue to ge the win, then why play at all?


If it's a round of golf, a pick-up game of hoops, a game on the PS2 or watching Clemson play..........if I lose that's fine but no ties and no giving up.
 

I wish they had adopted the international rule about icing, though (although exactly what the rule was escapes me at the moment :lol: ) I just remember watching the olympics and liking the rule about icing.
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Not to mention saving the careers of countless players. There are more than a handful that have had severe leg injuries racing back for the puck.


I absolutely HATE the shootout thing. Team games should not be decided by shootouts. I liked the 4 on 4 ot. Maybe they should have made it 10 minutes instead of just 5.
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Wow...we actually agree...didn't think I'd see the day :D



EDIT - the quotes don't seem to be working for some reason
 
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