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Which do you have?

I have a PC. I hate Macs. Too confusing, boring, not many games are compatible, and there's just something about it that I think sucks...

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Cuz the truth about the world is that crime does pay!!!
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If you think Macs are too confusing, you're doing something wrong. Personal computing can't possibly be dumbed down any more than they are on the Mac platform. Even school teachers use them, for crying out loud!

Otherwise, you're arguments really don't have too much validity. Boring is a very subjective term to use, and without examples, you're not backing it up.
There are plenty of games available for the Mac platform that play just as well as they do on the PC. Please point out some examples. Just about every major game release over the past 3 years is available for the Mac.

there's just something about it that I think sucks...
I'm not even going to touch that one. Again, examples please.

Macs, while being the bane of any PC user, have their place. They are far superior to the PC platform in music and video editing, desktop publishing, and graphics design.

The PC has it's advantages too. More upgradability options, more hardware solutions, more ubiquitous in the market, lower cost, better component availability... Any platform will have it's advantages over another. That's no reason to make a blanket statement like "I hate Macs" without any reasoning as to why.


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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious."
 
*sigh*
I knew 100% you were going to do this to me...
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It is an opinion...you're coming very harshly down on my opinion you know...lighten up please

There's something about it that sucks- the look. Not attractive to my eye.
Boring- the ones I've used have babyish games on it, nothing good, no hardcore games (well, besides these past 3 years...), much less options, less parts/hardware that I like, and just yucky pooh...
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I've grown up using a PC, and know how to use it. Macs come across as confusing because I haven't used one much because I don't like them
Older games are very good, like Total Annihilation that Macs can't support.
And about the designing stuff- I don't do that, therefor that's another down pusher

But, what kind of computer do YOU have? (unless both...)

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Cuz the truth about the world is that crime does pay!!!
-Green Day
Justin's Swing Palace
 
I understand that it's just your opinion, but by your own admission, you're not aware of their capabilities.
To say that a platform is "yucky pooh" does nothing to explain what you're basing your opinion on.

The following statement is not aimed at you, but is a general statement, so don't take it to heart.
To condemn something, while having no actual basis for the condemnation, and not having any facts to back up your argument, is ignorant bias.

I suggest that, before you blanket condemn the entire Mac platform, you spend a few hours in a design shop and check out their capabilities. You might just be surprised.

I could pick apart each of your complaints, but each one basically says that you don't use them, therefore you don't like them, instead of the other way around. Use them, or get familiar with them. They can be quite nice to use, if you give them time, instead of just running away from them in fear.

And FWIW, while I own a PC, I've worked with Macs more than I'm sometimes willing to admit. They give you far fewer headaches than even the most perfectly configured PC. While I've had to do literally hundreds of OS reinstalls on a PC, I couldn't tell you when I've even heard of one needing to be done on a Mac.


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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious."
 
I have used them before. I just don't like them. Not appealing to me, simple as that. *shrugs*
Kinda like you and the interactive stories section.
And besides, I've never been good at explaining things and giving supporting details. One of my more difficult areas, but one thing *is* for sure that I am ignorant of Macs. But that still doesn't mean that I can't not like them.
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So what does everyone else? And what makes you like it so much?

I like the PC because solid gaming. I'm all about gaming. That's all I need a computer is for gaming (and aliensoup), hence the liking of the PC.
ANd for a future DD post, I've never played a game on a Mac, atleast not one of those boring elementary school puzzle ones...
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Cuz the truth about the world is that crime does pay!!!
-Green Day
Justin's Swing Palace

<FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[This message has been edited by NapoliJ10 on January 25, 2001 at 10:27 PM]</font>
 
I'm not going to get into the whole Mac vs. PC (which is really Mac vs. Windows) debate. However, in Nap's defense, for being considered one of the easiest to use operating systems, I do think that some aspects of MacOS can be considered confusing; the fact that the 'file menu' is docked at the top of the screen, and switches according to whatever window has focus, makes it annoying (and often confusing) when you have multiple applications open at once. I haven't used MacOS for a while, so I can't give any more examples, but I know there were a few other things that I found less-than-intuitive about it.

On a side note, you okay DD? Your response comes off sounding upset/frustrated. While I agree that Nap may not have given clear examples to justify his opinion, his post didn't upset/offend me either.

If you think Macs are too confusing, you're doing something wrong. Personal computing can't possibly be dumbed down any more than they are on the Mac platform. Even school teachers use them, for crying out loud!

"Easy" is all a matter of opinion. I know people that can barely get around in Windows, and if I were to put them in front of an Apple running MacOS for the first time, they would have a tough time figuring it out. To say that Nap is "doing something wrong," especially considering he's given no examples as to what it is he's done with the OS, seems a bit harsh. As for the "school teacher" remark, I honestly don't see where that comes into play at all in this discussion (unless your point is that school teachers are dumb, in which case that is a blanket statement). Anyway, that's just something that came to mind. I respect you and your posts, and I know that you know your stuff when it comes to most things. Hope you don't take this offensively, and I welcome your opinion/response.

[edit] Keep in mind that I began writing all of this after DD's first response in this thread, and the other posts came along while I was still typing.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[This message has been edited by nootch on January 25, 2001 at 10:37 PM]</font>
 
I have both a Mac, and a PC.
They've both got their advantages, but I prefer PC.
Considering I only use/used both for games/word processing/internet, the PC was much better. I know the Mac is supposed to be better for videos, that sort of stuff, but I've never used it for that so I wouldn't know. The one thing that I used it for that was in the Mac's favor was the incredible amount of DECENT freeware. It seems as if for PC, a grass-growing simulator has a 30-day trial. The other thing to take into account is that Macs have improved out of sight since we bought this piece of sh*t back in about '95...

But oh well...I'm just blathering on. Blargh.
 
Yeah, the Cube Mac looks pretty cool!
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That said, I really wanna try it out

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If he didn't say it in the beginning, then he was just shy. If he didn't say it in the end, then he's just stupid
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Nap, here is how I would compare the two platforms:

Mac:

Motorolla PowerPC RISC G3/G4/G4+ CPU upwords to 750 MHz
SCSI bus (the newer ones are going to IDE)
PC100/PC133 ram
PCI 32/64 bus
Firewire ports
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM
SCSI HDD (newer ones with IDE)

As far as components, the MAC uses the same PCI bus as the PC. The difference, though, is that instead of using AGP, the MAC utilizes a PCI 64 slot. You could, in theory, use the same hardware as with the PC. You just need drivers for the PowerPC processor.

PC:

Intel/AMD x86 CISC CPU up to 1.2 GHz (and 1.5 GHz for the P4)
IDE Bus (some have SCSI)
PC100/PC133/PC600/PC800/PC1600/PC2100 RAM
PCI/AGP
USB ports
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM
IDE HDD (can use SCSI)


As you can see, the two platforms are rather similar. The difference is that the Intel based processor is CISC (complex instructions) and the Motorolla CPU is very much a RISC unit (few, simple instructions). The RISC unit, clock for clock outperforms the Intel based CPUs with no sweat. The SCSI bus is not CPU dependant like IDE is. The OS's differ, but as MAC OS (from what I hear) is based on UNIX, it is much more stable than Microsoft Windows 9x/ME/NT/2k....though 2k isn't all that bad.

No software support for the MAC? Wrong. The MAC OS provides a Windows emulator that allows you to install and play anything for the Windows platform. Is this great? Hardly. But it's there, and it's a great way to play some of the older games and also do other kinds of work that can only be done on a Windows platform. Every desktop publisher and video editor raves about the MAC....and for good reason. I'd get one, actually, if there was more current software support.

PCs do have their advantage in having the most software support and best upgrade options. They are also MUCH cheaper for the performance you can receive.

It's all about what you need a computer to do. I personally applaud Apple for continueing the MAC market. This fuels competition and lower prices, all around.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[This message has been edited by JHowse on January 26, 2001 at 12:05 AM]</font>
 
nootch&gt; As for my teacher comment, my mother works in the NYC BOE and runs a computer lab that is used to educate teachers. Needless to say, she works closely with many of the NYC school system's top computer people. Since she works with them, I've been exposed to them.
Students look to teachers to be an authority on the subject which they teach. I can safely say that the teachers in the NYC school system are some of the most uninformed and undereducated when it comes to technology. It's frightening at the lack of knowledge that is present in the school system.
Last week, for example, my mother forwarded me a virus alert email. From the message headers, I could see that this particular email had started in the BOE's IT department, and had circulated to at least 200 people with ufttc.org (United Federation of Teachers - Teacher Center) email addresses. It took me under 20 seconds to go to Symantec's site and bring up the page listing this particular email as a known hoax. One would think that someone working in an IT department would have the intelligence to verify a virus alert before propogating it to every teacher under their charge, right?
I didn't intend to imply that EVERY teacher is uninformed about technology, but if the top of the chain of command is any indication, then they're horribly behind the curve.

To expand on my original statement, if you were to check to see which computing platform is used primarily in this country's schools, you would find that over 80% are Macs. The reason so many educational facilities chose Macs in the first place is because of their user friendliness, ease of use, and reliability.
If these people who are so undereducated when it comes to technology can comfortably navigate their way around the Mac platform, what does it say about someone who claims to be tech savvy that cannot? Sure, there are aspects about the MacOS that are confusing, but the same argument can easily be made about the Windows platform. The same argument can be made about the Linux platform. The same argument can be made about Solaris, HP-UX, FreeBSD, and just about any other OS/hardware platform out there today. Does that mean that those other platforms are bad? Of course not!

As for me sounding frustrated, yes, I get frustrated when someone bashes something without showing any real evidence as to the cause of their dislike. I don't want to equate the platform war to racism, but the argument "There's something about them I just don't like" sounds horribly ignorant in either case, doesn't it?

Mac Gaming&gt; Sorry Nap, but you're totally off in criticizing the Mac platform for lack of games.
http://www.compuexpert.com/html/mac_explorer.shtml

Without even delving too much into that page, I can see that Q3A, Deus Ex, Diablo II, Rouge Spear, Driver, and Star Trek: Elite Forces are all available for the Mac.
These don't even require emulators to play, as JH pointed out could be done.
Not enough games for you? They don't look like elementary school puzzle games to me.

As I stated before, you're not wrong for not liking a particular platform, or prefering one platform over another. But at least have a logical reason as to why you feel that way if you're going to bring it up for discussion.


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"It's always funny until someone gets hurt, and then it's just hilarious."
 
What's the main difference between a PC and a Mac?

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If he didn't say it in the beginning, then he was just shy. If he didn't say it in the end, then he's just stupid
Justin's Swing Palace

<FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[This message has been edited by NapoliJ10 on January 26, 2001 at 12:27 PM]</font>
 
There are so many difference that you can't really label one as the "primary difference".
If I had to start somewhere, I would say the RISC architecture of the Mac vs. the CISC architecture of the PC.

Again, there are a ton more that lend to major differences between the two platforms, you it's impossible to call one the primary difference.


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