Should the US give temporary legal status to undocumented immigrants?
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No. Put our own unemployed people back to work first.
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I don't know if I can choose a side on this issue. On one side, the life they have there may be much better than from whereever it is that they are from. However, they are illegally in a country, and are taking jobs from people whom are born there or have legally moved there.
No, they are here ILLEGALLY. Their first action in this country is to break the law. Accepting them is a kick in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants from all over the world who have worked hard, obeyed the law, and have become citizens of the United States LEGALLY. I SAY STOP REWARDING ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR!
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I understand, and one of the things that bothers me the most about Canadian immigration is that sometimes peope sneak into Canada, land jobs, and after a while declare refugee status and can stay here indefinately! It really does tick me off... hmm... Well I think I know which side of the issue I'm on now. And I totally agree that governments should focus on situations and issues they have at home before providing aid elsewhere.
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How true. I don't understand it at all. Everyone has the right to a decent life - that goes without saying but this country must focus on taking care of its own. We don;t do a very good job of that at all. Look at our elderly - some eat dog and cat food because they can't afford anything else due to exorbitant medical bills and the price of a prescription.
Its realy bad here in washington. In this state we give state ID cards and Drivers lisences to illegal immagrants and, becuase we dont check for photo ID or any other kind of identification at the ballot box, we even allow illegal aliens the right to vote! ITS HORRIBLE! Illegal imagrants have almost MORE rights than legal ones! I think some of the hardest working most industrious people are immagrants, but those ones are here legaly!
i hate to judge a whole group of people. yes they came to a country illegally, but it could have been for a very good reason, their lives in wherever they came from were obviously bad enough that they took the risk to leave and go somewhere else. i'm willing to wager that most of these people are only "illegal" immigrants because the immigration policies are very stringant (from what i understand). countries in general don't want to bring in people that don't have a wealth of money already, is it fair to do that? i don't think so. so i guess i'm falling on the side of being PRO giving these people temporary legal status. the initial immigration to me, while illegal, doesn't prove to me that this is a bad person not worthy of seeking a better life...it shows me someone willing to take a huge risk and better themselves, maybe i'm just an optimist about people though. until you prove to me through some other act that you are a drain on the system, or a criminal, stay and be marry.
the whole issue of helping people at home first...you can't help people that don't want help. i see way too many of these people on the streets of toronto. they sit there and they beg, if they really wanted to not be doing that, there is a mcdonalds down the street hiring, go make something of yourself. if an immigrant, illegal or not, is willing to take that job and better him/herself than it shouldn't be beyond you to do either. a government can only do SO much to help these people if they are not willing to put in the effort to make something of themselves.
the whole issue of helping people at home first...you can't help people that don't want help. i see way too many of these people on the streets of toronto. they sit there and they beg, if they really wanted to not be doing that, there is a mcdonalds down the street hiring, go make something of yourself. if an immigrant, illegal or not, is willing to take that job and better him/herself than it shouldn't be beyond you to do either. a government can only do SO much to help these people if they are not willing to put in the effort to make something of themselves.
Well Rascal, we agree to disagree. :eusa_ange Millions upon millions of immigrants come to the United States LEGALLY. Accepting those who come illegally is a kick in the face to those who have come legally. Besides, the fact is, NO COUNTRY can support unlimited immigration, which is why they have rules and immigration laws in the first place. If we accepted anyone and everyone, without any rules or regulations, then everyone (or a very large chunk) would come here, and the country can not support that. Sad? Maybe, but just a simple fact.
I say, deport anyone here illegally. The first thing you do in a new country should not be to disregard and break it's laws.
I say, deport anyone here illegally. The first thing you do in a new country should not be to disregard and break it's laws.
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I'm not sure about this. I mena I'm sort of siding with everyone here, yes they have broken the law and they should be deported, but what as rascal said, if they come froma country where they are worse off? isn't everyone equal?? so shouldn't they get fair amounts jsut as everyone else.
I'm jsut not sure.
But this gives me an idea for a post.
I'm jsut not sure.
But this gives me an idea for a post.
Living in a border state this is a really touchy subject for me as I am sure for others who are in the same boat. I have voiced my opinion on this at many different sites over many years and get the same thing. I get called a racist and ridiculed because of my output on this subject. I am not a racist. It's one thing to be down on your luck and legally move to another country and legally get a job. But it is a completely different thing to do this illegally and take jobs that should otherwise go to people who have not cheated and are not cheating the system. Another thing, as far as education goes, I had to go to three different schools to put my child in Pre-k. Come to find out that if you don't speak english you are an automatic shoe in. There was no room for my child in 2 schools because of this, but for anyone who isn't even supposed to be here you get the red carpet to school everyday.
Just forget it.
Just forget it.
i see what you are saying nova, of course unrestricted immigration would not be good. but what i am saying is that these illegal immigrants are looking for a chance to succeed. they are coming from exceedingly poor conditions (if they weren't, they would either stay or have the money to come legally) and wanting nothing more than a chance. i say give them that chance. if it turns out that they want nothing more than to be on welfare and be a drain on the system, get out, plain and simple. maybe it would be a trial system, give them a year to get established with a residence and a job. in this case the economy would support itself, if there aren't any jobs to be had then obviously they won't get one. if they end up with no job and no permanent residence after a year give them the boot. i know a lot of people do probably try that (being a drain on the system), and i in no way can condone that type of behaviour. but for those that just want to enrich their lives, there are much worse people out there and they too are immigrating legally.
i feel the same goes for those born in the states/canada/wherever. if you are just being a drain on the system then you have no place being a part of that system. just the way i feel...if you aren't contributing than you shouldn't benefit, i don't know that kicking these people out is the way to go, but something has to be done about them. i suppose that's a debate for another thread tho'...
i feel the same goes for those born in the states/canada/wherever. if you are just being a drain on the system then you have no place being a part of that system. just the way i feel...if you aren't contributing than you shouldn't benefit, i don't know that kicking these people out is the way to go, but something has to be done about them. i suppose that's a debate for another thread tho'...
I agree with you there Nova, in the UK we have the people that came here after WWII, I think the idea was to let people come over to help rebuild the country, the city's that were bombed. The majority of these people went on to do various things, open shops, become doctors, dentists or set up their own business'. These people are now at retirement age and in the main their sons/daughters have followed in their footsteps, they work for a living and actually contribute towards the country. Unfortunately these days we have both legal and illegal immigrants coming into the country that couldn't care less about the country, they have heard that we are a soft touch and if they come here they will get free midical care, somewhere to live and various benfits. Can you believe that we have a Muslim preacher that stands in the middle of the street every week saying that he hates the British and the Americans, making referneces to Bin Laden and 9/11 and how he wants a Jihad against the 'hated opressors' (The British people). This guy actually walked into a Toyota garage and got himself a $45,000 Previa MPV, it cost this much beacause he wanted Tv's in the back amongst other things. Guess who paid for this? We did with the money that the government take off us every payday. Our Foreign Secretary was slated recently for suggesting that any immigrants that want to come into the country should learn to speak English and actually prove that they are willing to contribute to the country when they are here. Whats wrong with that? If people are willing to work and not sponge off the state, fair enough, if they aren't, don't let them in.
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OK - Mustang and Cyborg's stands are pretty much the way I feel - I don't condone shooting anyone, but if you come here illegally, you should pay the price. I'm sick of seeing tax dollars wasted on inefficient border patrols - I believe these people work as hard and best they can in doing their jobs, but it's an endless circle. The US needs to adopt strick and touch laws and STICK TO THEM!!! I know we wouldn't be the country we are now without immigration, but things have gotten way out of control. Take care of our OWN FIRST!!!:flag-usa:
