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Not too long ago homosexual's and black people were not treated as equals, and even to this day and in certain parts of the world they are still treated harshly and with no respect. Whilst I'm pleased that in western society we are slowly but surely becoming more tolerant of different races, sexual orientation and religion, I always ask myself if there's perhaps one day where we will go too far? Do you think that one day society will adapt to become more tolerant towards things such as pedophilia, simply because enough people make enough fuss over it?

I guess the short version is; regardless of the reason or purpose, do you believe that if a group of people make enough noise, society will eventually change to their will?
 
Let's look at this on a case-by-case basis.

The reason why blacks were oppressed is because they were used as slaves. Years later, we had segregation in the southern states, simply because of our deep roots in hatred. But let's look at why they weren't being accepted as equal members of society: because of their skin color. That's silly, right?

With religions, it's more of the same. Instead of oppressing people based on their skin color, it's based on their system of beliefs. Isn't that stupid?

Again, with sexual orientation, it's the same thing. Gay people are oppressed because... well, they're gay. That's all there is to it.

Now, let's look at pedophiles. Pedophiles take advantage of the ignorance and innocence of children. There is a very clear reason why pedophilia is wrong - because a child is not mature enough to be capable of expressing consent.

Being black doesn't hurt anyone. Most religions don't hurt anyone. Male/male or female/female sex doesn't hurt anyone. Pedophilia does hurt children, just like rapists hurt the person being raped, and shoplifting hurts the person owning the store.

That's the difference.
 
Just for clarification, I was using pedophilia as an example. I couldn't think of anything else at the time. :lol:
 
Yes. It's inevitable. Once our generation has grandchildren they'll be all about accepting some group we consider vile and disgusting and they'll be the ones calling us bigots or some **** like that.

It's just how things go. It's just a matter of what exactly and when. But it will happen.
As for pedophilia though, technically we already used to accept it as a society and I'm sure it'll eventually work it's way back around.
Although the reason for it's former acceptance is because people used to not live as log so they needed to have children at younger ages. If you lived to be 35 you were ****ing ancient, because used to people used to be lucky to make it to 30. Hell, you were lucky to make it to adulthood in some cases. So of course children having children was more common, it was just how it was. Girls married young because they had to pop out babies ASAP, more or less, because there was no telling how long they might live for so the sooner they got started the better. But of course they couldn't have kids before having their periods first.

Interestingly enough, and I'm just waiting for the day society makes this argument. Girls have been starting their periods earlier and earlier overall, and there is a mentality that girls officially become women after starting their period. Now as for boys, the argument is a boy becomes a man once he loses his virginity... and I assure you if you drill that into the heads of enough boys then they'll keep trying to lose it sooner and sooner.
I have a cousin who lost it at 12... ****ing 12! And then the **** he was with once thought she was pregnant... and they were 14! What a ****ing idiot.

So as far as pedophilia is concerned, just think about how many kids are being sexually active amongst themselves these days. They've barely even hit puberty and they're already going at it. And it'll just keep getting younger and younger and then the rationalization of just getting it out in the open so the kids can be better protected during the act will come into play and the old argument "they're gonna do it anyway, they at least should have protection" will pop right the **** back up and then our generation we'll be like "oh Hell ****ing no, my generation invented that argument! You think you got the right to use that!?". And for the record, the argument could be made kids can make a rational informed decision to choose to have sex or not. So long as it is informed, meaning you understand it, and the child wants it then why can the child not consent?

But, yeah, I'm calling it now. It'll go something like that. It won't be a radical shift, but a gradual one. It'll become gradually more and more acceptable, because that way you're desensitizing people to it, getting them used to it, then you teach people that anyone who thinks certain behavior isn't okay are just a bunch of hateful bigots and you shouldn't listen to them. Which effectively demonizes anyone opposed.

It's just tactics, doesn't matter what what the topic is. People like having a cause to fight for and over, people like thinking they're on the side of fairness and equality for all, so once one social movement is accepted another will pop up for that very reason. It doesn't matter if it makes any sense or not, people will find a way to rationalize anything. And there's always some oppressed group out there, demanding rights. And in the name of 'social justice' a fight for that will be made as well.


Even now we're already working on the desensitizing of pedophilia. There are adverts out there with children being made to look sexy after all. Right now people find it disgusting and see the desensitizing attempt that's going on, but if it's still happening when they have children of their own then their kids might start thinking "this is how it's supposed to be, this is what's acceptable for people my age" and then the kids might try to be sexy themselves. Hence how gradual it has to be. The whole point is to desensitize people around our ages, at least enough to get used to it being there, so we don't pay attention anymore. But the generations after ours are the ones who effectively get brainwashes.

That's how cultures and societies are. I'm not saying they all get together and decide which movement to fight for is next or that there's a giant checklist somewhere. It's like a domino effect, once it starts it just keeps going and it all just kinda flows together. But it's also a case of follow-the-leader. Once one place or person does/says something controversial and gets attention for it that proves that it got them attention. Which means it's shocking, jarring, attention-grabbing. That's how it really starts, but once everyone does it then it becomes common and gradually more accepted.

See how it works? It's a slow paced thing but already there are plays going on for groups to gain acceptance. It's just likely we wont see much of anything else beyond the same-sex marriage issue until after we're all ancient. Although, you've already got a few people ****ing and complaining about how we need to accept pedophilia and bestiality, mostly the latter because of a stupid consent argument. So who knows it may move faster!

By the way, the movements themselves are not necessarily related to another, it's just that society likes having something to fight about and there's always groups who want to be accepted.

Now if you excuse me I'm gonna go plot for the inevitable "public BDSM play should be allowed" acceptance movement. But that likely wont actually happen until after the "public sex should be allowed" acceptance movement... although I think that last one was attempted already.
 
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Eventually the age of sexual consent will be 13, kids will be having babies all over the place, gypsies will be camping in our front gardens and chavs will legally carry knives.

Joking, although if that ever happens I'm sure myself and many others will fight against it.

I think peadophilia will only continue to be hated more. If you look at Jimmy Saville, when he commited his offences it was less of a *big* thing that people talked about. Now however, we hate it so much we're slandering him after his death for his crimes. I highly doubt peadophilia will ever be accepted but if it is I'm moving to mars.
 
[MENTION=36]Antigone[/MENTION] Where consent is not used, such as in beastiality and rape, I don't think society will ever accept it. Sure I believe that children are being made to be more sexual and it's disgusting but I also feel that the majority will always be against it.

[MENTION=2]Lauren[/MENTION]
I think peadophilia will only continue to be hated more. If you look at Jimmy Saville, when he commited his offences it was less of a *big* thing that people talked about. Now however, we hate it so much we're slandering him after his death for his crimes. I highly doubt peadophilia will ever be accepted but if it is I'm moving to mars.

My point exactly. Everyone is so completely disgusted and throws hate towards it and I understand that we used to be that way for homosexuality and ethnic minority or whatever but science is the reason really, we've proved skin colour is a tiny part of us and homosexuality studies suggest we've been this way since we was younger, plus religion is dying down. But with peadophilia you can't really use studies to make it more acceptable...
 
An interesting concept, Kirk. I think you're on to something.
It's been an aggravation for me for years how PC the world has become. Actually, to hell with "the world", just my own country has become a place where you must accept, accept, accept, anything that anyone wants to do, and not question it or look askance at it. It's just how people are, what they want to do, accept it.
Well, **** that. I'm not about accepting anything in the world just because society says I have to. Some things are just wrong, and we are slowly but surely losing any moral fiber.
This country used to have values and morality. Now, we are expected to just be "ok" with anything that anyone wants to do, no matter how immoral it is. When people want to start having sex with animals, am I supposed to just say "Hey, it's the latest 'sexual orientation'" and be alright with it?
Pedophiles - as have been mentioned already - ARE trying to force society to accept them and their sick ideas as just another orientation.
Where does it stop? Where do we draw the line? How much are we supposed to accept and in turn ignore, as being normal human behavior? Is this how we are evolving? Christ, I hope not. I maintain some values; I maintain some moral fiber and I will not accept just anything society throws my way as "ok". I am a non-conformist and I don't intend to change and jump on the idiotic PC bandwagon.
Another example of a group of people who are maligned just for who they are could be bikers. Misunderstood, stereotyped, feared, and placed in a pigeonhole and never considered as anything but what society and the scripted media has proclaimed we are.
 
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[MENTION=1290]Smooth[/MENTION] So do you not support freedom?

I think it's right to accept everyone just as long as they ain't hurt nobody else e.g. paedophilia, rape, murder etc...
 
I love it when people use the word "freedom" in place of the phrase "if you don't accept everything anyone wants to do then you're rigid and closed-minded" etc etc.....
The two are not synonymous.
 
Well, if you don't support people being FREE enough to do what they want, then how do you support freedom?
 
I love it when people use the word "freedom" in place of the phrase "if you don't accept everything anyone wants to do then you're rigid and closed-minded" etc etc.....
The two are not synonymous.

Well seeing as the ability to say, marry someone of your own sex or doing something you please which affects nobody else in any direct way is freedom, and restricting that is restricting a freedom...
How is homosexuality a gateway to paedophilia or beastiality? Adult men or women can give consent to have sex with a person of their own gender, and it doesn't harm anyone in any way, in fact it makes them happy. In contrast, children and animals cannot give consent, and it does harm them. Simple enough really.


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Eventually the age of sexual consent will be 13, kids will be having babies all over the place, gypsies will be camping in our front gardens and chavs will legally carry knives.

Joking, although if that ever happens I'm sure myself and many others will fight against it.

I think peadophilia will only continue to be hated more. If you look at Jimmy Saville, when he commited his offences it was less of a *big* thing that people talked about. Now however, we hate it so much we're slandering him after his death for his crimes. I highly doubt peadophilia will ever be accepted but if it is I'm moving to mars.

What I don't get is why do it when we was dead? Why not make the claims when he was alive..
 
I support freedom and I intend to fight for it to any length and extent that is needed; particularly in the current state of my country. The people of my country are being slowly but surely shoved into an almost communistic way of life; we are almost imperceptibly being forced into a completely non-American ideal and the things being planned to stop that and take us back to what this country was founded on are things I will be taking part in, to lengths most would not consider.
These are what concern me; these freedoms. These are not synonymous with your definition of freedom.
I don't HAVE to accept accept accept everything that is shoved into my face. That is my right as an American. It is my right to NOT go along with the crowd and say that anything anyone wants to do is ok. It is my right not to accept any and every form of religion, or homosexuality, or any other **** thing. I don't live in the middle east where women are forced to be or act or talk or marry or dress or go where someone else tells them they have to. I can make up my own mind about anything and believe or not believe in anything I choose. THAT is freedom.
 
Reminder to keep things civil guys.


Also, Smooth you're pretty bang on. You have every right to go against anything, even things that society now accepts.
I can up and say I hate puppies and always will, no matter how accepted puppies are in the world, but putting my ideas into action by hurting or preventing their rights as puppies would be wrong.
Nobody can make you go along with anything if you don't want to. You can be racist if you want to, doesn't bother anyone as long as you DO NOT put it into practice by actually being racist to other people. I would say you were close minded but there you go.

I support freedom, but freedom to think and feel. DOING something depends, you know like raping an animal or child.


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I dont really hate puppies I love puppies
 
Thank you, [MENTION=2]Lauren[/MENTION].
I realize that people often find me and my ideas and thoughts and beliefs unacceptable to them, which is fine. Just as I don't have to accept or approve of anything, I don't ask that anyone accept or approve of my beliefs. I think what I think, you think what you think. That's what makes the world so interesting. How boring would it be if everyone thought as I do??? It would be pretty **** boring.
It's things like this thread that bring out my beliefs. I don't go around preaching against homosexuality, or organized religion, or any belief or school of thought, unless I am asked. And when I am asked and offer my opinion and thoughts, then I am practically vilified. Just for how I think!
This does not bother me, however. I did not come to think and be how I am on a whim, or without much thought and consideration and experience. Just because the way I think isn't popular among the masses does not change a thing. I believe what I think and say. So do others. Maybe not any others here, but there aren't all that many people here. My own circle understands. Others I confer with understand and agree. And even if they didn't I would still think the way I think.
 
I support freedom and I intend to fight for it to any length and extent that is needed; particularly in the current state of my country. The people of my country are being slowly but surely shoved into an almost communistic way of life; we are almost imperceptibly being forced into a completely non-American ideal and the things being planned to stop that and take us back to what this country was founded on are things I will be taking part in, to lengths most would not consider.
These are what concern me; these freedoms. These are not synonymous with your definition of freedom.
I don't HAVE to accept accept accept everything that is shoved into my face. That is my right as an American. It is my right to NOT go along with the crowd and say that anything anyone wants to do is ok. It is my right not to accept any and every form of religion, or homosexuality, or any other **** thing. I don't live in the middle east where women are forced to be or act or talk or marry or dress or go where someone else tells them they have to. I can make up my own mind about anything and believe or not believe in anything I choose. THAT is freedom.

Do you watch FOX news by any chance?
Of course you have the right to not like it, but when you make it illegal like gay marriage then you're taking away freedoms. That's what I was getting at.
 
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