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Wow, right wing much? When you say that people have the responsibility to better their own lives and make generalizations about welfare recipients, I don't think you're looking at the big picture. Yes, people have the responsibility to better their own lives, but many are not able to. Is it fair that just because someone is born into the lucky sperm club with trust fund and all that he or she has a permanent advantage over someone born into poverty? It's hard to improve on your own when the schooling that you're offered is sub-standard.
And, if you're so concerned that you're paying twice with charity and then taxes, GET A ****IN RECEIPT AND RECORD THE DONATION! It's tax-deductable. We all have a responsibility to our fellow citizens, it's called patriotism.
As far as my last statement regarding Terri being white, I'm just speaking from observations of past court cases. Most well-known high-profile court cases are involving white, middle class people. How often do you see a well-publicized murder trial for a gang shooting? The reporting usually dies out after the report of the initial crime. But then, a white middle-class suburbanite kills his pregnant wife and the whole nation follows the trial the whole way through.
 
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Is it fair that just because someone is born into the lucky sperm club with trust fund and all that he or she has a permanent advantage over someone born into poverty? It's hard to improve on your own when the schooling that you're offered is sub-standard.

Is it fair that my son is at a disadvantage because he is white, and he might not get a job because a quota has to be filled? Is it fair that someone does not get promoted because a quota has to be filled for a miniority? Is that fair? I see your angle, class warfare. So if I happen to work hard all my life, and make ten million dollars, I should donate it to charity, because based upon your "lucky sperm club" rubbish my son is a SCUMBAG! A RICH DIRTBAG. YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! What right does ANYONE have to say someone who is born rich is a "Lucky Sperm Club", or any other comment like that? Sounds like jealousy and envy to me. You have, I don't, you are a dirtbag because you wear born into a family that takes care of it's own, and I wasn't. Where does it say everyone has to be on the same playing field. Sorry, that is not how life works. You are born what you are, instead of being thankful that at least in the United States, unlike Socialist Europe, there is upward mobility in the class system. You can be born in a ghetto, and live wind up in a mansion. TIME AND TIME AGAIN, OVER AND OVER AGAIN, this happens. But people like you are not satisfied by this. In Europe, if you are born middle class, YOU STAY MIDDLE CLASS, with VERY RARE EXCEPTIONS! The taxes are so high, you never are able to save enough money to move up. Period. Unless you write a Hairy Potter Book, if you are born middle class, you stay middle class. That is a fact. I prefer it here: if you are born poor, and work hard, you can become rich. The only problem is, when do become rich, and send your son to Harvard, some liberal calls your son "advantaged", and wants to take away everything you worked for. Yeah, that's fair.

And, if you're so concerned that you're paying twice with charity and then taxes, GET A ****IN RECEIPT AND RECORD THE DONATION! It's tax-deductable. We all have a responsibility to our fellow citizens, it's called patriotism.

I don't want a receipt. I don't want to work, say I am "disadvantaged", and I want a free house that people picket the government for. And, for your information, a "tax-deduction" is not equal to what I paid for, meaning, if I donate $10,000, I don't get $10,000 off of my tax bill. Before you start shouting "Get a ****ing Receipt", perhaps you should read a book on tax code.

You say we have a responsibility to our fellow citizens, where is that in the Constitution. Please show me. What about the resposibility our fellow citizens have to provide for themselves. Sorry, no one is entitled to anything from anyone. CHARITY doles things out. When the government gives out handouts, it is not called PATRIOTISM, is is called COMMUNISM!

As far as my last statement regarding Terri being white, I'm just speaking from observations of past court cases. Most well-known high-profile court cases are involving white, middle class people. How often do you see a well-publicized murder trial for a gang shooting? The reporting usually dies out after the report of the initial crime. But then, a white middle-class suburbanite kills his pregnant wife and the whole nation follows the trial the whole way through.

I probably see it more often then I see a "Hate Crime" (what a joke) being committed against a white person. It is funny how you only hear about "Hate Crimes" being COMMITTED by WHITE PEOPLE, against MINORITIES. You never see it the opposite way.

I am not forcing my views on others. My view is, if you want to help others, knock yourself out! Donate EVERY LAST SPARE DIME YOU HAVE to ANY CHARITY YOU WANT. I am not forcing you to do it, I am not forcing you not to do it. Now, look at what the left says. PAY TAXES FOR SOCIAL PROGRAMS, OR GO TO JAIL! Wealth distribution, or nothing. If you are lucky enough to happen to be born to "Rich" parents, you are a SCUMBAG, "LUCKY SPERM CLUB" member, who deserves NOTHING! Everything your parents give to you should be given to the poor, because parents have NO RIGHT TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CHILDREN, and the GOVERNMENT HAS THE RIGHT TO TAKE THAT MONEY TO DISTRIBUTE AS THEY SEE FIT AND MAY GOD **** ANYONE WHO DISAGREES!

Which side seems more tolerant to you?
 
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You're making statements to the effect that a WANT is equal to a NEED. Yeah, I WANT to **** Natalie Portman, but I don't NEED to. I would want the government to give me a house and a nice car and the whole nine yards, but I certainly don't need it. The government has a responsibility to make sure the needs of the people are met, not the wants. Fulfilling those needs does not equate to communism. Speaking of which, check a textbook, cause you're confusing communism with socialism.
And by the way, when I refer to the lucky sperm club, I mean the people who have the ability to help those who need it but are devoid of the moral fiber to do so. I was born upper-middle class, so it's not bitterness at socio-economic standing that motivated my statements, but rather the arrogance that often comes with it.
Oh, and another thing, don't lecture me about tax law. I know enough about it and I've been ****ed over by taxes enough to write a novel on the subject. I was just stating that you can get some of your donation money back by writing it off as a tax deduction. However, since you feel the need to be such a philanthropist, donating your time is much more valuable than donating your money. Anyone can write a check, but helping to build a house for Habitat is free and much more gratifying.
Also, saying that affirmative action is preventing whites from employment by methods of reverse descrimination is an immature stance. It's very easy to blame these practices of fulfilling quotas when you're unable to get the job you want. In some instances, it does happen. But when you make the claim that it is the responsibility of others to better themselves and then blame affirmative action in a search for employment, you're ignoring that responsibility with yourself.
 
Uh... whoops. I think you posted that while I was writing my reply. No hard feelings, just the old right vs. left wing debate.
 
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