DJ's using kj harddrives
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possumdog said:
Ricks just jeolous cause Faith has the hots for your avatar..... he humps his leg every time he reads a post of yours...... LOL
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Uh Rob,
Has anyone ever gone over the birds and bees with you?
Has anyone ever gone over the birds and bees with you?
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possumdog said:
That's all well and good but Faith is a female!:sqlaugh:
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mn mule said:
The cold truth is that there is nothing you or SC or anyone else can do about it. It is the very nature of karaoke's appeal that creates these low paying conditions.
The people who seek out karaoke shows do so because they want to be singing "stars" and this is their outlet. Getting paid for their singing talent is either not of concern to them or not possible.
Likewise, there are people who also want to be "stars" in the form of karaoke hosts and getting paid also isn't their motivation. So, in the typical small independent bar/lounge market you are competeing with much the same kind of personality that makes up your singing clientelle.
To a certain extent the same problem plagues DJs. However, there are certain places both commercial and private where only a paid professional DJ will qualify - and therefore that work is safe from the touch of wannabees.
Karaoke on the other hand has fewer such elite positions. To secure a professional KJ job at a meaningful prevailing talent wage you would need to be employed or contracted with a major theme park, cruise line, casino, or other entertainment complex whose reputation and broad based marketing dictates a top brand of talent.
The odds of finding a such a wannabee class KJ at a Disney theme park or hotel for example, is slim to none. It will be someone under contract to Disney who has real singing or presentation talent.
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JoeChartreuse said:
As a point of law, you can further condition any settlement offered to you, just as you can make a counter-claim in any suit brought against you. Settlements are offers which beg a counter-offer and negotiation until conditions acceptable to both sides can be reached.
At the absolute minimum, any KJ engaged in a suit by SC should condition any settlement that includes an audit with just compensation for your time, expense, and aggravation.
Furthermore, you should also be making appropriate counter-claims with any reply you make to the suit.
You must make ALL your counter-claims at the same time you answer the suit. You will not be allowed to add anything later that was not included with your answer.
You should not allow yourself to be held at the discretion of the plaintiff. This is an adversarial procedure - be a worthy adversary. You owe yourself nothing less.
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Proformance said:
Bob,
Congrats you finally are correct on a legal point for a change!
Proformance said:
Well, this just sucks the joy and magic out of things, doesn't it? And before I get a cold hard reality lecture, what we are selling as hosts is fun, escape, joy and magic. The strictly wannabe singer shows get old fast.
The other cold hard realty is that singing/presentation talent USED to be considered minimal requirements for a karaoke host. And what conditions that have led to the decline in standards is one of the things that none of us will ever seem to agree upon. But at least there is some agreement that the standards have declined.
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SoftJock Rick said:
LOL.... the 5 Israelis were caught dancing.... wouldn't surprise me if these Russian fools were singing!
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Fusion said:
Sorry, thought this was a business, and you folks were out to make a profit -- didn't realize it had to do with illusions... :sqconfused: :sqrolleyes:
Edit: Funny thought...
Karaoke == Illusions of Grandeur...?
I crack myself up sometimes :D
Rick--it's not a business--it's a Passion.
But yes--it's a business and if we don't sell enough magic, we don't eat. At the Hell Hole, there is a direct connection between the till and how much we get paid. But it takes being in lala land sometimes to keep it going. Hard to explain but as a DJ you must know. I can go in knowing that if we don't sell enough drinks, I might not make the house payment and the dog just died and there is no water going into the bathroom. But I put on the Free Range Chicken hat for Freebird and hit the dancefloor and start the party. If I look at how much people aren't drinking, I would hate them and they would feel it. We let the bar tendress monitor that and she tells us when to get them on the floor and thirsty. If I put the money over the magic, we wouldn't make our money.
But yes--it's a business and if we don't sell enough magic, we don't eat. At the Hell Hole, there is a direct connection between the till and how much we get paid. But it takes being in lala land sometimes to keep it going. Hard to explain but as a DJ you must know. I can go in knowing that if we don't sell enough drinks, I might not make the house payment and the dog just died and there is no water going into the bathroom. But I put on the Free Range Chicken hat for Freebird and hit the dancefloor and start the party. If I look at how much people aren't drinking, I would hate them and they would feel it. We let the bar tendress monitor that and she tells us when to get them on the floor and thirsty. If I put the money over the magic, we wouldn't make our money.
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Thunder said:
Why is there something I should know????????? :sqlaugh:
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jokerswild said:
Yes, birds as well as bees lay eggs....
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Fusion said:
Sure -- I enjoy my job too. But, if I wasn't making a reasonable profit, I would drop it like a hot potato, and look elsewhere.
IMHO, if yer just doing something for "passion", "fun", or "magic", then it's simply a hobby. Why should someone doing a hobby, worry about pirates, rates of pay, bookings, etc...?
As I've been saying all along (and Bob as well), I think many are in this hosting business for the sole purpose of having a soap box to sing on. You have your own little group of friends that follow you around, because you give them a chance at the soapbox too. You fight it out with other hosts not because you want to make more profit for your business, but because you want more fans and followers to help your mojo. You out anybody you can, for whatever reason you can, just to get more adoring fans.
So, who is actually destroying your industry?
The hobbyist like yourself is, because you are taking away jobs from the few hardcore business people that are actually trying to make a profit and living from it...
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And the false dichotomies abound! For some (many?), they simply make a business out of their passion and are fortunate to do so.
But there are a great many that Rick is alluding to as well that are responsible for lowering the bar for the industry by shooting too far to EITHER extreme - passion or business.
But the same thing can be said for DJ'ing as well - or for any entertainment-service related industry for that matter.
But there are a great many that Rick is alluding to as well that are responsible for lowering the bar for the industry by shooting too far to EITHER extreme - passion or business.
But the same thing can be said for DJ'ing as well - or for any entertainment-service related industry for that matter.
SoftJock Rick said:
No Rick.
I am the last person to take centre stage.
My background is sound and lighting.
I love making people feel good about themselves.
I feel good about doing that.
I get paid well for what I do but It upsets me to see good honest KJ's lose out.
Would I do it just for the money..?
No. Money is not enough.
Yes I am stopping someone else from a night or two's work.
But then I put on a good show.
Why should I not do it?
So, who is actually destroying your industry?
