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Ok, I am on my way out the door, so I don't have a lot of time. Let me just throw this out there. I was reading this morning's newspaper over coffee, with my wife and son, when I read a few letters from people supporting PETA and their Anti-fishing campaign.

PETA says that fish feel pain, and recreational fishing is bad. They say that teaching our children to fish is essentially teaching them to inflict pain on others for fun: in short, violence.

I want to go off on a tirade, but I just don't have the time. All I will say is this:

IF MORE FATHERS WENT FISHING, AND SPENT QUALITY TIME WITH THEIR CHILDREN, MAYBE THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE!

Does a fish feel pain? WHO THE F CARES! If I have fun with my son, my brother, my friends, the good time of a human being TRUMPS the pain of a fish.

Cold, brutish, calice? You tell me. In my opinion, this is another example of people with nothing in their lives, so they feel the need to CHAMPION THE CAUSE OF FISH! :eusa_snoo
 
Fish feel pain, cows feel pain, pigs and baby lambs feel pain but if God didn't want us to eat them He would not have made man carnivorous!

Nova, I agree with you that fathers need to spend more time with their children. Personally I would have rather preferred spending time at the track with my Dad as we both loved horses. I think he took me fishing once when I was about five. He swore never again since I could not stop talking and skipping stones over the water. When he finally landed a fish my sister cried so much saying he was hurting it that he released it. The fishing expedition landed us a few tadpoles and I do believe a tiny turtle. They were my sister's catch. My catch was a cold that landed me in bed for the week-end. Never went fishing again. But I did go to many horse races. Love the smell of the barns!
 
i think its fine if you fish and then eat the fish however the stupid fishing shows where "billy bob" catches a 32lbs bass shows it to the camera and then throws it back is just stupid
 
I think munkey is right, hunting is ok if you need it to EAT not to play around take petty pictures and throw it back...

all I have to say is you wouldn't like it if someone pick you up by a hook took a picture of you and then threw you back in...
 
Nightwolf04 said:
all I have to say is you wouldn't like it if someone pick you up by a hook took a picture of you and then threw you back in...
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It's a fish. That's all I have to say. :)
 
all I
have to say is you wouldn't like it if someone pick you up by a hook took a picture of you and then threw you back in...
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ANGLOIRISH said:

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:laughing7 Funny anglo! I swear, we are heading towards the day that when you step on an ant, people will cry!
 
I am desperately trying to come up with a witty comment but the place is full of smoke! The woman in A2 burnt her chicken and the entire building is full of smoke! Full of smoke and here I sit, nauseated from the smell, my eyes burning and all I am concerned about is a witty reply to Nova's post. Now that is dedication. BRB going to open the windows so I can see the screen!
 
Fish experience pain, but I doubt they experience it in the same way that we do. Basically the point of pleasure and pain is to get us to do things that are good for us and avoid things that are bad for us. For animals with simple nervous systems (like fish) that operate primarily by following pre-programming that has been handed down for generations, pain doesn't need to be a horrible, unbearable sensation, it just has to convey the message "you have been damaged; initiate evasive maneuvers." However, as a species evolves, and it's nervous system becomes more "plastic" (able to change from experience) it is necessary for pain to become more intense in order to get the same response. Pleasure, as well, must become more intense (probably why only animals with highly developed brains have sex for pleasure; other organisms just follow their programming, we need an incentive).

Experiments have demonstrated a certain difference between how humans and rats perceive and react to pleasure. In the experiment an electrode was implanted in the "pleasure center" of the brain, and both sets of test subjects (humans and rats) were given a switch that could be used to activate the electrode. The rats, after learning the function of the button, pressed it extremely rapidly (up to 7000 times per minute), and did so until they collapsed from exhaustion. They would cross an electrified floor to reach the button that they would not cross to reach food, and would shun food and water, even when starving in order to press the button. Humans who pressed the button related an indescribable, but highly pleasurable sensation, and although they pressed the button repeatedly they did not even come close to matching the pace of the rat, and would not give up food water and sleep to press the button.

What this demonstrates is that in animals with less plastic brains, rewards and punishments dominate behavior. For the rat, pleasure did not need to be an intense experience, as it was programmed by evolution to repeat any behavior that produced a pleasurable sensation. When pressing the button generated this pleasurable sensation, it repeated the behavior as frequently and for as long as possible. For humans, conscious action is handled more by the association areas than the stimulus response system of instinct. Thus in order for instinct to make itself felt (and obeyed) it had to become more forceful as the human brain developed.
 
smo1704 said:
Fish experience pain, but I doubt they experience it in the same way that we do. Basically the point of pleasure and pain is to get us to do things that are good for us and avoid things that are bad for us. For animals with simple nervous systems (like fish) that operate primarily by following pre-programming that has been handed down for generations, pain doesn't need to be a horrible, unbearable sensation, it just has to convey the message "you have been damaged; initiate evasive maneuvers." However, as a species evolves, and it's nervous system becomes more "plastic" (able to change from experience) it is necessary for pain to become more intense in order to get the same response. Pleasure, as well, must become more intense (probably why only animals with highly developed brains have sex for pleasure; other organisms just follow their programming, we need an incentive).

Experiments have demonstrated a certain difference between how humans and rats perceive and react to pleasure. In the experiment an electrode was implanted in the "pleasure center" of the brain, and both sets of test subjects (humans and rats) were given a switch that could be used to activate the electrode. The rats, after learning the function of the button, pressed it extremely rapidly (up to 7000 times per minute), and did so until they collapsed from exhaustion. They would cross an electrified floor to reach the button that they would not cross to reach food, and would shun food and water, even when starving in order to press the button. Humans who pressed the button related an indescribable, but highly pleasurable sensation, and although they pressed the button repeatedly they did not even come close to matching the pace of the rat, and would not give up food water and sleep to press the button.

What this demonstrates is that in animals with less plastic brains, rewards and punishments dominate behavior. For the rat, pleasure did not need to be an intense experience, as it was programmed by evolution to repeat any behavior that produced a pleasurable sensation. When pressing the button generated this pleasurable sensation, it repeated the behavior as frequently and for as long as possible. For humans, conscious action is handled more by the association areas than the stimulus response system of instinct. Thus in order for instinct to make itself felt (and obeyed) it had to become more forceful as the human brain developed.
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It's a fish. :D
 
At this point I agree with Nova. But killing animals and fish is necessary for survival and keeping the natural balance of things so sushi up to the bar boys. As Nova says "It's a fish", Just kill it swiftly OK
 
Yeah so it's a fish...it's still an animal...but then again there's really no point in asking me because I hate fishing!!!!

It's boring you sit aroudn for a fish AND THEN YOU THROW IT BACK!!!

eat it already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
spunkey monkey said:
what about those poor defenceless worms that you put the hook through then you drown the poor thing, do those poor worms feel pain?
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Don't forget ants! They keep getting stepped on all the time! Poor things! :laughing7
 
Well, personally, I think its the fisherman that gets tortured. Whenever I go fishing I come back with enough mosquito bites to keep me itching for a year.
 
haha good topic...as a fisherman, I must say that its far less painful for a fish than it looks. Hooks in their body, mouth, anus, etc. remeber they dont have a nervous system like humans! As for the worms, worms only live on an average of about 30 days so you might as well get some good use out of them and use them to catch some killer bass!
 
I am here to fight the desprate fight for a crerature so innocent it could never possible hurt a human. You cant even eat them for sustinance. Thier hides offer no warmth but untold numbers of them are slaughtered every day in the name of "Cleanlyness" I of course, am speaking of the humble Dust Mite. Tiny creatures, invisible to the naked eye are slaugtered on mass every time you bring out your vacuum. Please, wont you think of the Dust Mite? Vacuums are murder!
 
Sicander said:
I am here to fight the desprate fight for a crerature so innocent it could never possible hurt a human. .... am speaking of the humble Dust Mite.
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Tell that to my asthmatic brother :p

I vill kill zem all!
 
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