---Quote (Originally by rumbolt)---
Been watching and reading all the post here and something has occured to me:
Does anyone here on the board actually have a list of the songs that are supposed to have been produced by SC and CB that they never had the license
(or Permission) to produce. I would love to have a copy of that list. Better yet does anyone here have proof that the licenses were never paid by SC and
CB or are we just going off rumor. There are a lot of claims but no proof and there are copies of lawsuits that are being passed around that only mean
someone sued someone and the outcomes never fully disclosed but supposed. Was there anyone here that was actually in the courtroom or the conference
rooms with the parties involved to know what the final outcome was.
All that being said, has everyone checked their CDG library to make sure you dont have any of the "nonlicensed" songs otherwise youldn't you be in
possession of pirated music as some have implied or is it ok since you paid for it.
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Rum, I DO happen to have a list of at least the 180+ songs for which there is a permanent injunction against production against CB. If you PM me an
e-mail address, I should be able to figure out how to send a PDF attachment. I'm fairly certain there are others, but in the case of this list, I know
that they refused to answer my requests on at least 4 different occasions.
As for SC, the list is simple- they have no U.S. licensing for any tracks at this time, per Kurt- UK licensing only, which doesn't meet U.S.
requirements, and is not valid in U.S. jurisdiction.
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Re: Questions about the Arizona Suits
http://ourkjtalk.com/threads/1269-Questions-about-the-Arizona-Suits#post33929
Posted by: starzkj
On: 02-11-2011 04:01 AM
---Quote (Originally by JoeChartreuse)---
I just found a bit more information on this. I happened to take a look at Eric's (Starz KJ) USKA site and noticed the following:
" *Recent Publishing rulings make it illegal for UK Karaoke manufacturers to distribute discs in the US. *"
If this is so, SC, whose discs are now manufactured in the UK by MediaPlas are being illegally distributed in the U.S. This would include the GEM
series, for which some are actually paying licensing fees.
If anyone can supply more information ( Eric?) or a link I would be very grateful.
Keep in mind that Eric is not in "my camp".....
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I do not know all of the exact details.. There was a production deadline.. June or July of 2010 and the discs had to be imported into US prior to Jan
1, 2011. Sound Choice brought the discs in under that program just before it lapsed. They did it legally.
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Re: Questions about the Arizona Suits
http://ourkjtalk.com/threads/1269-Questions-about-the-Arizona-Suits#post33931
Posted by: starzkj
On: 02-11-2011 04:09 AM
I just read a few pages of this and everyone can disagree, but until a case is litigated, everything here is gray area. Laws are open to interpretation
and those laws have been interpreted in many different ways. Even experts in the IP field disagree constantly.. That is why cases are constantly in
court. Everyone sides with the opinion that best represents their view and no matter what you think you can find an attorney to argue for your side as
long as your checks clear.
The word Karaoke or the term CD+G or sync license do not appear in the US Copyright code or the Digital Millennium Act. Stellar v ABCO classified
Karaoke under the same category as motion pictures because of it's video mixed with audio components. Most of the positions on these issues are going
to require a case to go the distance in court. So let's all keep arguing until we are blue in the face.
No one can claim victory til they spend 10's of thousands of dollars on attorneys and appeals and have a final decision. And there are probably about
4 or 5 separate issues that would need to be decided.
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Re: Questions about the Arizona Suits
http://ourkjtalk.com/threads/1269-Questions-about-the-Arizona-Suits#post33934
Posted by: JoeChartreuse
On: 02-11-2011 04:40 AM
---Quote (Originally by starzkj)---
I do not know all of the exact details.. There was a production deadline.. June or July of 2010 and the discs had to be imported into US prior to Jan
1, 2011. Sound Choice brought the discs in under that program just before it lapsed. They did it legally.
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Well, they may have done so at that time, but they are STILL bringing in discs, and from what I understand, MediaPlas is still making discs for them.
A friend bought a non-GEM disc ( SC2001- Bette Midler) in September, and had to wait while it was brought in. These, if the above is correct, would be
illegal.
I have to say, if someone needed a book written on how to screw up a court case, SC has pretty much done everything one could imagine. Boggles the
mind.... The only way a KJ should be able to lose a case is if he died going up the courthouse stairs, or hired Sean Penn's character from Fast Times At Ridgemont High as a lawyer...