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Now you're making broad assumptions based on little evidence. I'm not saying any gifts given/recieved are null or void or whatever, but the fact is, it goes back and forth, it's a two-way process. I don't count what my friends owe me, but I try to repay their kindnesses with whatever I can. It's the way friendship works, and both sides need to realise that.Chrisl0 said:So you are trying to say them the gifts we gave the French are null/void also? But it's funny though you and countries like you complained in the old days that we didn't help enough but now we are doing too much. They and you always find a problem with us. Also we were one of more than one nation's that helped France but we helped them far more than the other's. Just like in Iraq, we are putting more money and manpower in their than any other country. If your precious Europe didn't screw up so many times we wouldn't have to take control the way we have. Also don't reply on how many things they did right because I can find thousands of years of screw ups that the countries in Europe have committed. Even a few that your precious France have committed. Also why don't you and people like you criticize your country for once. Last time I checked every country has problems and have committed wrongful acts in the past and present. Also when the day comes where China becomes power hungry I bet you and the other countries well come on their hands and knee's begging us to defend themselves. By the way which country are you from since you don't post it?
I know! And for the love of God it has to stop! Why cant we just end relations with France? Why cant we just say, too hell with them, we wont ask for anything from them, they wont ask for anything from us. We need to become self sufficient and neutral like the founders wanted. We need to separate ourselves from the "Global Community" (Kudos to anyone who knows where I got that term, especially because you know why its so relevent) America needs to worry about America. We have enough of our own problems to deal with. We need to fix them first then we can start helping out the other people. France dug this hole let them dig out. We dug our selves into a pretty deep hole too. And if we start shoveling dirt into France's hole, its only going to make our hole deeper!Black Mage said:but the fact is, it goes back and forth, it's a two-way process.
Chrisl0 said:Cool I wish I had her in my room during the summer.
Black Mage said:Now you're making broad assumptions based on little evidence. I'm not saying any gifts given/recieved are null or void or whatever, but the fact is, it goes back and forth, it's a two-way process. I don't count what my friends owe me, but I try to repay their kindnesses with whatever I can. It's the way friendship works, and both sides need to realise that.
Which country are you assuming I'm from? You make a broad statement there that I'm from some country that demands more of the U.S., which may well be true, but still takes a random shot in the dark. But of course you guys are putting more money and manpower in Iraq. You invaded it. Your government invaded that country, now it has to clean up the mess.
Now you're also associating France with Europe. How does that come about? And why would Europe be precious to me? I don't live there. France isn't precious to me either. I'm not saying they are in any way special or deserving. I was merely responding to the idea that the U.S. gov't offer aid to insult France. As for a long history of things not done right,
You want problems with my country? O.k. The Aparthied system in South Africa was based in part on the way we treated our Aboriginals. Our contributions to charitable orginizations of late have been untimely at best. Our military is in dire need of an overhaul (but still is considered one of the most professional in the world) Our politics of late have been marred with scandal after scandal, which like Bush, nothing seems to stick. Hopefully this Gomery stuff will change that. We are one of the biggest polluters on the planet, we use more water per capita than the U.S. That's but a few things. It's enough info for you to go on to figure it out. But in the future, please refrain from making wild accusations.
Sicander said:
You would have to deal with the incessent ****ing. May I suggest a ball gag?
We do complain to our leaders. Lots. We're complaining so much it looks like we'll be heading to the polls again soon. Problem is really, everyone complains, but does little to act on it. We could also talk more about issues in Canada, or Brazil, or the Netherlands, but lots of what gets reported on this board has to do with the U.S., or somehow ends up involving the U.S. in some way. It's a fact of geopolitics at the moment.Chrisl0 said:This is based on what many people think, believe and know. This is the problem I have with many people that live outside our country. You got plenty of problems in your country but instead of complaining to your leaders about your countries problems you complain about the United States. What do you mean by you didn't that no gifts were given or received? You said it in one of your threads. But remember something else I'm from a country where I can make a random shot and I don't have to take anyone's fire without firing back. Also you are doing the same thing. Finally not to mention we give more aid to countries in trouble than any other. So our time and money goes to ingrates like you instead of citizens like me that lived in this country for over 100 years.
Black Mage said:We do complain to our leaders. Lots. We're complaining so much it looks like we'll be heading to the polls again soon. Problem is really, everyone complains, but does little to act on it. We could also talk more about issues in Canada, or Brazil, or the Netherlands, but lots of what gets reported on this board has to do with the U.S., or somehow ends up involving the U.S. in some way. It's a fact of geopolitics at the moment.
The only thing I was trying to convey about the gift giving part was that it's generally considered poor practice amongst friends and family to keep a running tally of who owes whom what, so why do it on the international stage? The French helped you geta country all to your own and the statue of liberty. You helped liberate them and restructure after two world wars. But who should count if you were to offer aid, or if they were to ask for aid? Aid isn't about who owes what, it's about saving and improving lives, not nationalistic ****ing. Saving human beings, regardless of nationality, race etc. Aid is also a sore spot amongs both our nations. Regardless of what you might think, the U.S. really doesn't have that great a record of doling out dollars. This simple chart shows the percentage of GNP of aid the last few years. We suck at it. Pretty much all the G7 nations do.
GoingNova said:I don't like France, but that does not mean I wish this violence on them, nor do I have a desire for it to be prolonged. A women on crutches was doused in gasoline, and set on fire. She deserved that? GOOD GOD, I hate saying this, but some of the very Anti-Christian sentiment I have been hearing is being circumstantiated in this very thread!
It is wrong for anyone to say that "France Deserves this." The notion that innocent people deserve to suffer is very UN-Christian. If, perhaps, you want to say that "France brought this upon itself", or maybe "France's political and social polices have caused the riots", that is fine. Don't say "they deserve it".
It is the same thing as people saying the United States "Deserved" 9-11. Violence brought upon innocent civilians is always wrong. Even the civilians of France. Come on fellow Christians, lets not be hypocritical.
Im not saying any one particular person in France deserves this, I am mearly saying that France as a whole, had it comin'. It was them that brought this on themselves. The Christian response would be to turn the other cheek and help out yes. HOWEVER! As has been stated SOOOOOO many times, our governemnt should be separate from the church. Sorry to throw that back in someone's face (Not you Nova) Actually no Im not sorry. I know its not very Christianly of me but that does not make it any less enjoyable. I have no problems whatsoever with, say, people sending money to aid France or something like that. I DO have issue with our Government doing it. Doing so may heal relations with France, but would it be at the cost of this very same thing happening to us? France should have listened to us in the first place. We cant save everyone. We dont have the recources. We are in the middle of a war here. A war we need to focus on if we are going to win. It is a war on two fronts, a war against Terrorism and a war against illegal immigration. We have to put out focus on these fronts. If we are to help France I want our governent to be sure that it will not be at the sacrifice of our own battles.GoingNova said:I don't like France, but that does not mean I wish this violence on them, nor do I have a desire for it to be prolonged. A women on crutches was doused in gasoline, and set on fire. She deserved that? GOOD GOD, I hate saying this, but some of the very Anti-Christian sentiment I have been hearing is being circumstantiated in this very thread!
It is wrong for anyone to say that "France Deserves this." The notion that innocent people deserve to suffer is very UN-Christian. If, perhaps, you want to say that "France brought this upon itself", or maybe "France's political and social polices have caused the riots", that is fine. Don't say "they deserve it".
It is the same thing as people saying the United States "Deserved" 9-11. Violence brought upon innocent civilians is always wrong. Even the civilians of France. Come on fellow Christians, lets not be hypocritical.
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