Thunder said:
Exactly what point in all of this did you want to debate?
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This way of posting is truly annoying, but ok:
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Originally Posted by JoeChartreuse
Nothing personal Steve, but I don't want or need a breakdown from you, and I don't plan on doing any investigating. I wouldn't DO the investigating, but would put it in the hands of a TRAINED investigator. I do have some training, however, some of the techniques are most likely obsolete after a couple of decades. So my answer to you is: I'd leave it to the pros.
T: Good enough an answer, basically you are saying you wouldn't know how to go about investigating this issue,-
No, I'm not, but not germaine- just another sidetrack from my original issue- please re-read it.
What I meant by ANY was just that. For instance, show up and LOOK, as I have posted ad nauseum.
For example: If SC wants to claim a SPECIFIC KJ ( which they have done- they're not all John Does)is using a trademark while doing a computer based show, it would behoove them to actually show up at the venue and confirm both the identity of the KJ and the fact that he's even using a computer, don't you think? I mean, not doing this, then claiming that they have, then having it shown that the "gathered" info was all incorrect kind of makes it look like they aren't being....ah... forthright....don't you think? Kind of discredits them some maybe? Weakens the case a bit?
T: Do you know that they don't show up and observe? Could the KJ have someone else's name on their books? Could they make a mistake, well yes and said so!
- I happen to know that they have made several that they wouldn't have had anyone bothered to check, as I have also posted ad nauseum- but also another sidetrack to the original issue.
And again, you've done an end run around my original concerns:
1) SC's main objective is not about fighting piracy- per Kurt himself. If you disagree, argue it with the President of SC. He agrees.
Their main objective is to recover revenue lost due to piracy, nobody is arguing that fact that I have seen! I just happen to agree with it and see it as slowing or killing off piracy as a side benifit!
2) People, for some completely unknown reason are holding up SC as an answer to piracy, despite the above. WHY? The President of the company says they are not doing that, they AREN'T doing that, and have no workable PLAN to do that. Why keep saying that they ARE doing that? Senseless.
T: I never have said that they were fighting piracy I have always maintained that they are going after pirates for TRADEMARK VIOLATIONS I have maintained that the side benifit is helping with the piracy issues! -
And I have maintained that no proof of any such side benefit exists
2) SC is doing a lot of damage to the industry through the use of bad methodology with the goal of making money. No problem with making money- that's why a company exists. It's the HOW.
T: You and I will continue to disagree that it is hurting rather than helping the industry, as stated before I am already seeing a difference! -
Yes, you have stated you are seeing more business- and at what cost to legit KJs? You have posted nothing that shows that REAL PIRATES have been affected at all.
3) Steve, in 2 different posts you have pretty much made it clear that you couldn't care less who gets hurt, if even a single real pirate gets nailed- and you gain singers and venues.
T: I can't recall ever saying that JOE please post the quote! -
Steve, you do this a lot. I won't look for it. It became a thread about the end justifying the means, everyone here saw it. You remember, like it's ok to bring 49 innocents to jail if you get the ONE who did the crime? That thread? Remember?
T: What I have said is, I don't think anyone who is innocent has been or will be hurt! -
Well yes, you've said that too- I disagree
I do care- a LOT. I also care about my business, which has been doing quite well based on nothing more than how I run it- no help required by vigilantes, money seekers, or power trippers.
T: So is mine Joe so is mine and always has, but i still believe that the prices for karaoke shows could come back to almost the same levels we were getting in the early 80's with the elimination of even half of the pirates out here today!
That's fine- how do you plan to go about it?
I won't give up my personal code of ethics to make a buck, and I won't help those who do.
Neither will I
THOSE are my issues.
And Those are my answers
NOT what will happen in court. Yes, I believe it will never get there. Yes, I believe SC will lose. However, if or until it happens, no one will have PROOF- so let it go.
You are right in part until it happens Only differences we have on this one is I believe it will happen
NOT how SC claims they are investigating. Even if they were, it would mean that it's not being done by pros- but by screw ups.
T: If you are correct and it is done by screwups then they may very well lose in court. But like the above that too remains to be seen! -
Whatever- sidetrack
NOT whether you agree with me on bankruptcy laws or not.
T: That was someone elses thing not mine! I just know that there are only federal Bacnkruptcy courts and only federal Banckruptcy laws!
ONLY that SC is doing something in an unethical manner, and too many people are falling for a snow job, and too many people are helping SC do the snowing.
T: Those are your opinions and you certainly have the right to them, I however disagree, I think they have been very up front and have issued plenty of warning that this was coming!
- I haven't seen anything up front about them even years before this started
Wanna debate any of that? The rest is all side fluff.
T: Exactly what point in all of this did you want to debate?
I can only hope that last question was an attempt at humor? :sqrolleyes:
