Any other questions just let me know because i've been through it all and know all of the other details, it's the hearsay that seems to spring these huge debates that get outta hand
Loneavenger said:nothing wrong with hearsay just in this instance as i've been reading here in multiple topics, this thing gets blown waaaay up. Yes the company i own as well as two companies i work closely with were named in the suit along with venues that we work for, and i know every detail of these cases......on thing i should add to my earlier post though , if the kj at the venue tucks tail and runs instead of clearing the venues name then there is also a settlement offer for the venue of $5000. But if the KJ " takes care of business " Then the Venue is let off the hook
Thunder said:Joe,
Not to refer you to any other post i will just copy and paste it and from this thread!
As you can see these questions were answered by me as to my opinion on them, which is all any of us have, right now!
2. What agency does SC actually have regarding other manufacturers?
I wish I understood the question but i don't, I will make a stab at what i think you are refering to! Sound Choice represents Sound Choice, but if they are successful in this this effort other Manus will follow suit! What a pirate who doesn't want to comply will be left with for music will be the defunct brands like Nutech and All Hits (not much of a selection is it?)
3. Is SC actually auditing all tracks on a HD including non-SC tracks? Does it make any difference if to Sound Choice audits anyone elses music (probably not) and they don't need to be concerned with it
4. Without said agency, what can SC do about a pirate who has non-SC tracks? As previously stated if Sound Choice is successful the other manus still in business will follow suit!
5. After settling with SC, what will a shrewd pirate do with the thousands of non-SC tracks that are on his HD? It seems I am answering the same question over and over here please see the previous answers about "other manus"!
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Steve, I asked for direct answers for 2-5. Yes, you replied, but you did not answer.
#2- Question ignored, replied with an opinion of other manufactureres.
#3- Replied with a question.
#4- Replied with an opinion, and a HOPE of an occurrence.
#5- Replied with a "see previous answer", which was, I believe, another opinion.
Not a direct ANSWER in sight. Sorry Steve, gotta go with "Can't".
Loneavenger said:And If the KJ settled, then the charges are dropped against the venue as****** long as the venue agrees to join the KIAA*** and Not hire any more illegal hosts in the future
Mantis1 said:1) Even though they owe us NOTHING !!!
2) But you act like they should be responsible for fixing the karaoke world. Kinda like Joe wants " bnew karaoke world order government".
3) No, Uncle Sam is the ONLY cure. ( barf)
4)Wait the KIAA is just trying to stab us with out own knife. puuhhleeeze.
5) They are only doin it for themselves. There will be NO possible way what these thugs are doin could help MEEE !!!
Loneavenger said:Yeah, once you get involved with there lawyers, your either 100 percent innocent or you settle, there isn't really an in between option so any smart business owner would settle
Joe,
Not to refer you to any other post i will just copy and paste it and from this thread!
As you can see these questions were answered by me as to my opinion on them, which is all any of us have, right now!
2. What agency does SC actually have regarding other manufacturers?
I wish I understood the question but i don't, I will make a stab at what i think you are refering to! Sound Choice represents Sound Choice, but if they are successful in this this effort other Manus will follow suit! What a pirate who doesn't want to comply will be left with for music will be the defunct brands like Nutech and All Hits (not much of a selection is it?)
3. Is SC actually auditing all tracks on a HD including non-SC tracks? Does it make any difference if to Sound Choice audits anyone elses music (probably not) and they don't need to be concerned with it
4. Without said agency, what can SC do about a pirate who has non-SC tracks? As previously stated if Sound Choice is successful the other manus still in business will follow suit!
5. After settling with SC, what will a shrewd pirate do with the thousands of non-SC tracks that are on his HD? It seems I am answering the same question over and over here please see the previous answers about "other manus"!
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Steve, I asked for direct answers for 2-5. Yes, you replied, but you did not answer.
#2- Question ignored, replied with an opinion of other manufactureres.
#3- Replied with a question.
#4- Replied with an opinion, and a HOPE of an occurrence.
#5- Replied with a "see previous answer", which was, I believe, another opinion.
Not a direct ANSWER in sight. Sorry Steve, gotta go with "Can't".
Joe neither you me nor anyone else who doesn't work for Sound Choice or who hasn't been through the process can have anything more than an opinion!
Mine happens to be just as valid as yours and maybe more so since What I have posted is based on what Kurt has said and what I have seen!
Now we have two people on here, one who has settled and one who has been cleared!
Why not ask those who have been through it just how it is handled? Unless you really don't want the answers! :sqwink:
Joe neither you me nor anyone else who doesn't work for Sound Choice or who hasn't been through the process can have anything more than an opinion!
Mine happens to be just as valid as yours and maybe more so since What I have posted is based on what Kurt has said and what I have seen!
Now we have two people on here, one who has settled and one who has been cleared!
Why not ask those who have been through it just how it is handled? Unless you really don't want the answers! :sqwink:
Through PMs I did, do, and have. However, as you have just stated, you don't- bottom line.
Howsabout we just sit back, watch, and wait. I'm sure of my findings, as I was in regard to PC hosts causing an influx of " I've got a PC, I can do it too!" wannabes, and the HUGE growth of piracy due to MP3s made available. They called me Luddite and laughed, and I ended up right. Gonna be 3 for 3.
Thunder said:Joe, I sure hope NB wasn't one of those PMs who "informed you"!:sqlaugh:
JoeChartreuse said:Nope- Don't even know who that is.
BTW- gonna PM you on a completely different subject that might interest you- you'll love it!
"thunder" said:Joe neither you me nor anyone else who doesn't work for Sound Choice or who hasn't been through the process can have anything more than an opinion!
Mine happens to be just as valid as yours and maybe more so since What I have posted is based on what Kurt has said and what I have seen!
Now we have two people on here, one who has settled and one who has been cleared!
Loneavenger said:I apparently was unclear in my post. I have been through the Legal Mumbo jumbo and my company is now cleared but i settled i was not " cleared ", I just meant that we were now in the clear. Sorry for the confusion, I'm not sure why you feel questions remained unanswered, i have answered all questions asked to me directly and noone has pm'ed me about anything related to sound choice. I am also closely involved with 2 other companies locally who went through this and are now finished with it. I do not know of anyone who has even agreed to submit to an audit, until i read kurt's post recently, the paperwork i received stated that even one track which you did not have a disc for would result in a failing of the audit, not to mention that to even have the audit means you declared innocence and once you agree to the audit if you fail the settlement more than doubled in cost, you would have to pay something like 15,000 as opposed to 6,500. We decided this risk was too great considering over the years we have accumulated some tracks we did not have disks for. We have 2 sets of discs for ALL of the music we own, and in the days since we have verified that there is not a single track in our possession that we do not own a physical disc for. I do know that they are only auditing for sound choice products, they do have the right to report back to other companies ( In the legal documents Pop Hits Monthly, Pocket Songs, And chartbuster along with other i don't remember off the top of my head are named individually ) and let them know what they saw on your system and then they could bring more lawsuits against you separate from the Sound Choice Suit. There are no ramifications straight from Sound Choice regarding discs from other manufacturers though, they make that clear in the paperwork that that is outside the scope of their rights. If you have any other questions Eric and Joe feel free to ask them, I feel the future of Karaoke is looking brighter because of this situation. The people who settled and were pirates will be put out of business because they do not have physical discs to operate off of and the cost of buying a new collection is probably too great for most, i know because i have already taken over for one such companies gigs. And those who have the money will buy discs from all of the manufacturers making karaoke better for all of us and evening the playing field on selection and not having to worry about people having 100,000 tracks. I see nothing but good coming from this situation.
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