nonetheless it's hilarious...know what else is a low blow? getting shot point blank for wearing a hoodie.thats a low blow thats her personal life, not a news story
nonetheless it's hilarious...know what else is a low blow? getting shot point blank for wearing a hoodie.thats a low blow thats her personal life, not a news story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOpGAOXL5Uk
Listen to the 911 tape again. Not only did the 911 dispatcher tell him NOT to follow him, the dispatcher told him police were on the way.
Zimmerman says "these assholes they always get away" and then he gets out of his car to follow Trayvon. Listen to the tape around the 2:19-2:21 mark & tell me what you hear. I've listened to it 3x and cannot believe what I think my ears are telling me.
I NEVER have suggested that Trayvon was shot because he was a "punk" or smoked pot. I am stating simply what the evidence at the scene showed and why Zimmerman was not arrested that day. Evidence shows that Z had a broken nose, back of the head bashed in and grass stains on the back of the shirt. Several witnesses say T was on top of Z and that it was Z's yell for help on the 911 tapes. Was I there or any of us for that matter? NO...this is what allegedly happened. I hope this does go to trial for the sake of our nation. We all need to know what happened that night to really come up with a just conclusion. If Z killed an innocent boy for no reason other than looking suspicious, than yes he should rot in jail. But if Z shot T in self defense than I do not think he should go to jail.
I absolutely agree that none of us know what happened. But earlier you asked what was the probable cause to arrest him, don't you think that's taking it too far?
I don't know if this person will be found guilty or not, I agree that it needs to be tried in court and the whole story will come out there. I think what I and some others here are angry with is that someone is dead, they know who did it, the details why he did are at best not clear and no one has been arrested yet so that process can't start. I worry that listing reasons this kid might not have been a perfect kid (again, not talking here about the self-defense issue - never mentioned that in my original post) could cloud the truth and prevent people from focusing on the real issue.
I think that is what some are missing...the justice for Trayvon is simPly an arrest/ charge so that it can be determined. That is what he is owed. That is what he deserves. All of this is at the very least reason to move forward. If he is found innocent, that is that, but to not even give the option is not justice IMO
I think that is what some are missing...the justice for Trayvon is simPly an arrest/ charge so that it can be determined. That is what he is owed. That is what he deserves. All of this is at the very least reason to move forward. If he is found innocent, that is that, but to not even give the option is not justice IMO
I fail to see how any of that is relevant. The issue at hand is Zimmerman allegedly profiled a black youth, followed him, confronted him without witnessing a crime, shot him. Trayvon's past does not matter. Whether Trayvon was carrying a weapon does not matter. To Trayvon, Zimmerman was a threat--any action Trayvon took was likely the result of adrenaline. Other young male teens in such a frightening position probably would have chosen to fight, too.Again would someone please tell me how Zimmerman KNEW Martin wasn't armed???? He wasn't naked he could have had a gun, knife whatever in any pocket. The information about Martin being unarmed was brought to light AFTER the incident. Hindsight is 20/20......
Would it change everything if Martin would have had a gun in each pocket and a knife in his sock but never used them??? He very well could have Zimmerman didn't know that!
Again would someone please tell me how Zimmerman KNEW Martin wasn't armed???? He wasn't naked he could have had a gun, knife whatever in any pocket. The information about Martin being unarmed was brought to light AFTER the incident. Hindsight is 20/20......
Would it change everything if Martin would have had a gun in each pocket and a knife in his sock but never used them??? He very well could have Zimmerman didn't know that!
Who said it was illegal? Manslaughter (at a minimum) is illegal. Hate crimes are illegal.Legally speaking....it is not illegal to follow someone and he broke no law if in fact he did not listen to the 911 operator. Was it stupid for Zimmerman to follow Trayvon, yes but it was not ILLEGAL.
I fail to see how any of that is relevant. The issue at hand is Zimmerman allegedly profiled a black youth, followed him, confronted him without witnessing a crime, shot him. Trayvon's past does not matter. Whether Trayvon was carrying a weapon does not matter. To Trayvon, Zimmerman was a threat--any action Trayvon took was likely the result of adrenaline. Other young male teens in such a frightening position probably would have chosen to fight, too.
No the issue is that Zimmerman allegedly profiled a black youth, followed him, VERBALLY confronted him, was attacked by said youth and shot him in self defense.
The first illegal act was by Martin in attacking Zimmerman.... Profiling, following, and verbally confronting someone are not nice things to do but they are not illegal.... Breaking someone's nose and smashing their head into a sidewalk are illegal and if someone did that to me I would consider my life in danger (as you can easily die from your head being smashed into the sidewalk) and take any action I believed would save my life including shooting someone.
Again would someone please tell me how Zimmerman KNEW Martin wasn't armed???? He wasn't naked he could have had a gun, knife whatever in any pocket. The information about Martin being unarmed was brought to light AFTER the incident. Hindsight is 20/20......
Would it change everything if Martin would have had a gun in each pocket and a knife in his sock but never used them??? He very well could have Zimmerman didn't know that!
Hence manslaughter. Zimmerman appears to have caused the situation.Profiling, following, and verbally confronting someone are not nice things to do but they are not illegal....
Because the hypothetical person in mommysix's response is unarmed.
Hence manslaughter. Zimmerman appears to have caused the situation.
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