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so what are you thinking right now?

Ennui, You would be surprised what the government considers neglect to be.

And Icou, I do heart you but if there is $ for gas in the car, there is a couple bux for a coat at GW. If THEY are wearing coats, their kid should have a coat. It is all about priorities.

I honestly think people want their kids kept inside out of some kind of medieval belief that sickness still comes from cold weather and not germs. My 13yo is still having outdoor soccer practice and will do so all winter as long as it is above 20 degrees or so. Cold weather is not bad for people.
 
Do we know that THEY are? I heart you too, but I'm just saying there are lots of people who don't have the basic necessities even though they are working. It doesn't necessarily mean their priorities are F'd up. IMO

skincarekathy said:
Ennui, You would be surprised what the government considers neglect to be.

And Icou, I do heart you but if there is $ for gas in the car, there is a couple bux for a coat at GW. If THEY are wearing coats, their kid should have a coat. It is all about priorities.

I honestly think people want their kids kept inside out of some kind of medieval belief that sickness still comes from cold weather and not germs. My 13yo is still having outdoor soccer practice and will do so all winter as long as it is above 20 degrees or so. Cold weather is not bad for people.
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skincarekathy said:
Ennui, You would be surprised what the government considers neglect to be.

And Icou, I do heart you but if there is $ for gas in the car, there is a couple bux for a coat at GW. If THEY are wearing coats, their kid should have a coat. It is all about priorities.

I honestly think people want their kids kept inside out of some kind of medieval belief that sickness still comes from cold weather and not germs. My 13yo is still having outdoor soccer practice and will do so all winter as long as it is above 20 degrees or so. Cold weather is not bad for people.
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I don't understand how not having a coat for cold weather wouldn't be considered neglect, same for a child without shoes or boots for snow.

I agree, if the parents have coats they can certainly get a coat for their child.


Cold weather, or more specifically cold air, may be harmful if the child has cold triggered asthma. However there are meds that used as pre-treatment prevent cold triggered asthma attacks or the asthmatic can wear a mask to warm up the cold inhaled air.
 
ennui said:
I don't understand how not having a coat for cold weather wouldn't be considered neglect, same for a child without shoes or boots for snow.

I agree, if the parents have coats they can certainly get a coat for their child.


Cold weather, or more specifically cold air, may be harmful if the child has cold triggered asthma. However there are meds that used as pre-treatment prevent cold triggered asthma attacks or the asthmatic can wear a mask to warm up the cold inhaled air.
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If/when the kid gets frostbite, then it might be neglect. Depends on the circumstances, the caseworker, etc etc. Even if it is neglect, there is a quick cure, that is a coat, and such a case of neglect will go no further.

As for the asthma (or pick your special disease), there's always something. An otherwise healthy child will not become sick from fresh, cold air if properly dressed and out for an appropriate amount of time.
 
I'm sad because the city just cut down two 45' ash trees from my front parkway. They claim to be taking a pro-active approach to the emerald ash borer beetle. As a replacement we are getting one 2" diameter white oak.
 
I just made an awsome gift basket/box for my aunt and uncle for christmas
-2 reusable coffee travel mugs from kohls free
-mint meltaways from fannie may $3.25
-cat treats free
-dog bone $1
-glade candle mm from target
-2 gerdhelli mini coffee from target .50

Box to wrap in all in free from jewel:-)
 
icoupon2 said:
I think you are wrong about this one. Just because they are in daycare doesn't mean the are rolling in $$$. I'm pretty sure that Lauri doesn't work in a Montessori school or something like that.

Elk Grove has their EG Township daycare center...sliding scale or even free in some cases. Those kids are in daycare but in my experience there are several who can't afford those kinds of basic necessities.
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I didn't say anyone was rolling in $.

And your average everyday daycare is a coupla hundred a week, unless you get subsidized or whatever.

In any case, my point is people make the $ available for what they want to, but something like this they feel justified in letting slide. I was just commisserating with Lauri's frustration. I used to do before/after school from my house, the parents were horrid and I give anyone who does child care the HIGHEST of kudos.
 
Surprized we're still talking about this.

Child has a coat actually several. Very nice coats that match his nike shoes. Kid owns more shoes than I do.

Without any details I know this family is well connected with several different types of assistance. Food, shelter,clothing, and daycare costs are provided for.



I am a mandated reporter and take that seriously...if I suspected neglect I would call the case worker and report it.
 
skincarekathy said:
I didn't say anyone was rolling in $.

And your average everyday daycare is a coupla hundred a week, unless you get subsidized or whatever.

In any case, my point is people make the $ available for what they want to, but something like this they feel justified in letting slide. I was just commisserating with Lauri's frustration. I used to do before/after school from my house, the parents were horrid and I give anyone who does child care the HIGHEST of kudos.
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We used to own and run an after school care center, we like the children and they like us very much, the parents suck. The irresponsible ones let their children stayed up till midnight, the demanding ones expect miracles!
 
Just curious, if it is a DCFS requirement that kids go out to get fresh air as long as it's above freezing, what are the requirements about parents not bringing children to daycare properly attired?

No penalty against the parents at all?

Do daycare centers have to suck it up and repeatedly provide what the parents refuse?

Can the centers refuse to take the child for the day?
 
ennui said:
Just curious, if it is a DCFS requirement that kids go out to get fresh air as long as it's above freezing, what are the requirements about parents not bringing children to daycare properly attired?

No penalty against the parents at all?

Do daycare centers have to suck it up and repeatedly provide what the parents refuse?

Can the centers refuse to take the child for the day?
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I will answer the best I can...

First, before the child starts they are told the requirements. Also given them in writting as a part of the enrollment package. If a family is unable to provide we refer them to local free clothing organizations...there are lots of them in our area. Never known a child to be turned down for a need.

We can refuse to take a child for many reasons.
 
Lauri said:
I will answer the best I can...

First, before the child starts they are told the requirements. Also given them in writting as a part of the enrollment package. If a family is unable to provide we refer them to local free clothing organizations...there are lots of them in our area. Never known a child to be turned down for a need.

We can refuse to take a child for many reasons.
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If a child has the proper clothing at home, but the parents repeatedly bring the child without proper attire, i.e. winter coat, there should be a point at which the center should be able to tell the parents that "sorry, we won't be taking care of 'Joey' today or tomorrow until he arrived appropriately dressed". Then quickly usher them back outside.

When is that point? Three strikes? More?
 
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